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If not, I would strongly suggest trying to do so before anything else. Then take some time to think about it and revisit this debate. My personal feeling is if you like the size/form factor, you going to just love it. It's honestly just the perfect size and tons of fun to drive on the street 😎 |
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10-07-2019, 03:50 PM | #26 |
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Sold my GT4, but kept my 1M
I was fortunate enough to be able to buy both the 1M and GT4 as new cars. I still have the 1M, but I only kept the GT4 two years.
By most performance standards the GT4 is the superior car. Its steering, brakes, handling, and shift lever action are in a different league compared to the 1M’s. That said, the GT4’s engine feels “strangled” and lacks emotion compared to the same engine in a C2S, and the GT4’s 1st and 2nd gears are FAR TOO STEEP for the street. Unfortunately, 1st and 2nd are integrated into a single shaft and cannot be easily changed. As such, I simply found the GT4 to be a boring street car unless I was driving it at speeds well beyond the posted limit. I tell people the 1M has the personality of a “puppy dog on a hard wood floor”. It’s not the most graceful or linear car, but it’s always ready to play and is a lot of fun every day in the real world. It’s also very practical with decent trunk space and a back seat. If you frequently go to the track, the GT4 is unquestionably the better choice, but I would much rather drive the 1M on the street. Overall, I liked the GT4, but I love the 1M. |
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10-07-2019, 06:02 PM | #27 |
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nachob 's enthousiasm is ever infectious . Here are some facts around these presumed 'Canadian only' benefits:
The Canadian 1Ms had a couple other cool options. 1. As iDontRemember mentioned, they strippers came with bluetooth and heated seats standard which adds little weight but makes the wives happy. From Sept '11 onwards, starting from US VIN 47600 and after, US strippers had Bluetooth as a headunit intergrated option (Sales code 7H9 VO codes 6FL and 6NN) 2. They also used the older tire circumference based tire pressure monitoring system that does not have TPMS sensors in the wheels so you can swap wheels without worrying about TPMS sensors, TPMS sensor rebuilds or TPMS sensor batteries. Any 1M in the world that has the (US) locally manditory hardware TMPS, can have that coded out by removing the corresponding VO 2VB (and take out the TMPS rim sensors and receiver). Then the EU software version TMPS will automaticlly kick in! Not sure on the legal status of the EU TPMS version in US and or Canadian imported cars. |
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10-07-2019, 10:24 PM | #28 | |
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My favourite was someone who had an E46 M3 CSL and then bought a 1M and then decided the 1M was the one to keep and ditched the CSL. the 1M is second to nobody in terms of modern cars....
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10-08-2019, 06:46 AM | #29 | |
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I couldn't agree more with the above comments! I'm lucky enough to get to drive a lot of nice cars on road trips, Gt4, 991 Gt3, Aston V12 Vantage, Ferrari 430 scuderia and I can honestly say hand on heart that as great as those cars are I have more fun when I climb back into the 1M. The other cars are just so capable and composed but just lack that puppy like nature of the 1M. |
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10-08-2019, 11:15 AM | #30 | |
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I forgot near the end of the run they made Bluetooth base after most 1Ms were delivered. In Canada they all came as far as I know with it as well as heated seats. I got my first one in August and at the time I didn't feel Bluetooth was that important in an m car for what I wanted and you couldn't just add Bluetooth. It was dependent on another package which I can't recall which made it a pricey add on especially if you didn't see it as important. As far as tpms i bought extra wheels and ended up buying extra tpms. I also had one fail on me and replaced it again so I found the older tpms system a cool thing if you swap wheels. Great info that you can disable it but was just convenient how it comes that way. The us system is nice but I like The older system if you swap wheels without having to hassle with those. So yes I found those differences to be cool because i owned both versions so I appreciated them. The only thing I like more about the US version is that they extended the injector warranty on US vins and not the Canadian vins. All other recalls apply as they are safety things but not injectors. Boo. BMW. They admit injectors are lame but Canadians get screwed even though the exact same part. I hope that helps and thanks again for the extra info. |
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Hey nachob, did you take this in southern Utah near the Colorado border? I think I've been here -- either that or this place has a doppelganger. https://goo.gl/maps/bSceMf7q4phPypZZA Back on topic... |
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It's in southern Utah a bit south of Arches National Park as I was heading toward Monument Valley. On a different thought, OP, if you buy a 1M I recommend at least one road trip and I highly recommend driving through Utah....some of the most, spectacular scenery and great roads. Here's another similar pic of a Wheel Shop in Nebraska, I guess wheels aren't that big there. : ) Also, I discovered the best Camouflage in Utah is Valencia Orange. : ) Last edited by nachob; 10-08-2019 at 10:14 PM.. Reason: didn't see map link first time |
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Speaking as someone that had both an E92M and an E90M.... One DCT and the other 6 speed, I say yes! The only thing i miss is the sound. everything else is better.
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10-27-2019, 06:35 AM | #34 |
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Interesting thread, especially MechE's experience.
I have driven the E92 M3, 135i, 1M and GT4 extensively and own an S65 converted 1M clone. The only reason I don't own a GT4 is that it can't get into my driveway. The second my renovations are finished the '1M' is gone! (although I'll be buying a new GT4). I'm amazed that this is even a comparison if it is true that in the US the 1M & GT4 are similar in price. Here in Australia the GT4 is still $160-200k while 1Ms are under $50k. If you love the M3 I think you'll be disappointed in the 1M. Losing 160kg is significant but that low revving torquey motor just doesn't suit the car. A GT4 might be tall geared but it loves to rev and sounds glorious doing it. The GT4 feels tiny, low & light. It is razor sharp and actually gives feedback (instead of the quick but numb 1M steering). There will naturally be a strong pro 1M bias here that I don't think is justified. I would strongly suggest test driving both the 1M & GT4 before deciding. |
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Jason Barlow from Top Gear after driving the 1M.
“Stocky car, light weight (well, relatively light, by modern standards anyway – 1497kg), powerful engine, terrific rear-drive chassis, second-gear hairpin with perfect forward visibility… why can’t all cars be like this? Aim, point, fire. Balancing this thing on the steering and throttle is pretty much the crack cocaine of the car world.” Following up on this quote: OP, to me this is not debatable, but it depends on what you want in a car? If you like smaller, nimble, quick-to-move cars, 1M is about as good as it gets. However, If you like pounding long straights in a V8 then save some money and go the E92 route. I personally love the size and playfulness of the 1M, but others want a different experience. I also think where you live will determine how you want to enjoy a car. YMMV |
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Average selling price for a 1M in Australia is $75k or more. It was only $99k new And 160 kg is a big deal AND the N54 is a waaaaaay more enjoyable formula than the S65. Alive and rabid and full of energy; no wonder you're underwhelmed by your clone! We will take the 1M thank you very much.
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Maybe the S65, Ohlins coilovers, F80 brake system and Recaro seats have spoiled it... Either way, I'm not sure why this has any bearing on my opinion on the 1M- as I pointed out I have driven the 1M quite a bit. I considered buying one both when they were new and prior to building my current 1 series but could just never get excited about the N54. Same reason I went AMG after testing the F80 M3- I just found the S55 motor totally unexciting. My point, which I think has been amply reinforced, is that the OP should take any opinions offered on this forum with a large dose of caution and test both cars thoroughly before deciding. Quote:
As I mentioned above- I'm not comparing to my car. I have spent plenty of time driving the real 1M. I find the 1M motor underwhelming. It's greatly improved by the addition of the S65 but in my opinion it's still not in the same league as the GT4. I'm amazed that this is even a serious question if they are really the same price in the US. BTW:Advertised prices for 1Ms for sale in Aus right now range from $55k to $75k with one dreamer at $88k. The one that I know sold recently got $49k. I guarantee you could own one today (in any colour) with $50k cash. The GT4s currently for sale range from $173k to $219k. Last edited by Odyssey; 10-27-2019 at 11:58 PM.. |
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I'm gonna buck the trend and recommend something more off piste
Your daily is a WRX, so it's not like you want luxury in a daily car, let alone a weekend car. You like balanced, FR handling in a weekend car but want something lighter than an E92 M3. A 1M is lighter but also 70hp down on the E92. My advice - buy an FD3S RX-7 and put a Turblown Borg Warner EFR kit on it along with Ohlins and larger brakes. You'll have a car that's lighter than both the 1M and the E92, with just as much accessible power. Especially if you go for the EFR 7670 over the 8374. |
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i currently have a 1M and E46 M3 and previously owned an E90 M3. I would rank them:
1) 1M 2) E46 M3 3) E90 M3 but all three are great. Like others have said you will have to drive one back to back with your car to decide. Good Luck Glenn
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Both lovely cars. Each M car has it’s good and bad points and I always find I miss certain characteristics off other M cars I’ve owned.
I’m currently on my 4th E46 M3. I’ve had 2 E92 M3’s, one 1M and few other E36’s, E39 etc. I’m a sucker for tinkering and then selling and doing it again but if I had to keep a single car forever and could never sell it it would be the 1M. I dunno what is it about it but it’s the one. And yes even knowing this I sold it recently and got a high mileage e46 m3 to tinker with haha. At least in Australia they don’t seem to have gone crazy in prices like other parts of the world as we had like 300 delivered amongst population of about 23milion. Sold my 125k kms example (very tidy) for just under 44k AUD. Definitely look forward to picking up another one down the line |
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Drive a BMW because you need a backseat and/or you don’t want to look flashy. If not, buy the GT4 or some other Porsche for a weekend car.
As a poster mentioned above, it’s a bit nuts that the 1M price is close to the GT4’s price in the US, simply due to rarity. |
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