1m or new m4?

[*aMMaR*]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

M2?

thats my next car!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

every 1M will depreciate $1,925.28 next year. Every single one. Hope that helps.

ROFL

[Dalko43]

Get the M4. The 1M was by all accounts a great exercise in 'making lemonade out of lemons' and turned out to be a great car. But everything it does (turbo engine, manual transmission, tuned suspension, ect.) the M4 does much better, especially for track use.

The M4's S55 engine also seems better optimized in terms of cooling and oil lubrication than the N54 ever was. The N54 served as a great jumping platform for BMW's foray into turbo-charging on a mass scale.

If you are nostalgic and like "limited edition" cars, then the 1M is a good bet, though I'd wait a bit until its used price comes down a bit (which it will once the M2 comes out).

If you want superior all around performance, get the M4. My 2 cents...

[GrumpyBimmerFan]

Yea, im pretty set on new m3, i cant justify paying more than the sticker for a 3 yr old car. Although 1m is great, i dont think its THAT great. If it was $40, it would have been a good contender. And prices seem to be on a verge of crashing...

[a7med606]

again i said get the m4 and enjoy the car , why getting 1m if you didnt when the car was new and wow , if you are collector and have alot of bmw's and wont sell it for ever get it .

if you are normal user and changing the car every couple of year ger the M4

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by kotik

Yea, im pretty set on new m3, i cant justify paying more than the sticker for a 3 yr old car. Although 1m is great, i dont think its THAT great. If it was $40, it would have been a good contender. And prices seem to be on a verge of crashing...

New M3 is great.... ask for a testdrive and you'll be convinced.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by *aMaR*

Hi, i'm from Germany and i had a test drive in the M4 recently for 3 days and if i compare both cars, i would still stick to my 1M. The price of the M4 will drop rapidly compared to the price of an 1M.

This.

I've driven an M4 from my dealership(7DCT) almost weeks ago.

Wow. It's fast, steering is very light, suspension softish and the sound-through-speakers is nice but a tad too loud for such a luxurious mini 5 series

Chassis + steering is not bad though it's just a bigger and heavier less pointed car in bends, no discussion. Less sporty by at least 20% so to speak.(imho)

I loved the engine + (7DCT)tranny thought!

Great car as a daily but not as involved as a 1M an d the depreciation thing as already stated.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Dalko43

Get the M4. The 1M was by all accounts a great exercise in 'making lemonade out of lemons' and turned out to be a great car. But everything it does (turbo engine, manual transmission, tuned suspension, ect.) the M4 does much better, especially for track use.

Only 0.5 seconds faster on Hockenheim Kurz (M3 DCT F80 vs 1M) I don't reckon it's really better for track use. Au contraire amigo.....


Cheers
Robin

[Dalko43]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Only 0.5 seconds faster on Hockenheim Kurz (M3 DCT F80 vs 1M) I don't reckon it's really better for track use. Au contraire amigo.....


Cheers
Robin

Most auto reviewers would disagree with your statement that the M4 is no better for track use. Also, the performance disparity between the two varies greatly depending on the track.

The 1M's 8:10 vs the M4's 7:52 at the nurburgring is an obvious example.

And time differences aside, the 1M's N54 is not as well optimized (in terms of cooling and oil circulation) for prolonged track use as the S55 is. That's just a fact.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Dalko43

Get the M4. The 1M was by all accounts a great exercise in 'making lemonade out of lemons' and turned out to be a great car. But everything it does (turbo engine, manual transmission, tuned suspension, ect.) the M4 does much better, especially for track use.

The M4's S55 engine also seems better optimized in terms of cooling and oil lubrication than the N54 ever was. The N54 served as a great jumping platform for BMW's foray into turbo-charging on a mass scale.

If you are nostalgic and like "limited edition" cars, then the 1M is a good bet, though I'd wait a bit until its used price comes down a bit (which it will once the M2 comes out).

If you want superior all around performance, get the M4. My 2 cents...

technically yes...but does the M4 have the raw energy, enthusiasm, and balls to the wall excitement of the 1M? no way....it's too complicated IMO. Not much out there has the excitement of the 1M except for the 911 GT3 and Cayman GTS.

[Doctor///M]

I spent two weeks contemplating this same scenario. Depreciation aside, there's nothing like driving a brand new performance/dd car that is spec'ed to your liking. 36-month residuals on the M3/4 range from 56-60% depending on mileage, but I got over that a long time ago.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Dalko43

Most auto reviewers would disagree with your statement that the M4 is no better for track use. Also, the performance disparity between the two varies greatly depending on the track.

The 1M's 8:10 vs the M4's 7:52 at the nurburgring is an obvious example.

And time differences aside, the 1M's N54 is not as well optimized (in terms of cooling and oil circulation) for prolonged track use as the S55 is. That's just a fact.

Why should a car which is bigger and heavier be better for trackday use ?

Like carmag Sportauto stated , the M4 is not designed as a sportscar, it's just a hot 4 series...but agreed it's a great car/ daily drive, but not 'a great trackday car' the way I see it, and the way it drove vs the 1M.

S55 is a great engine, but so is the N54 in its own way.

Cheers
Robin

[Dalko43]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Why should a car which is bigger and heavier be better for trackday use ?

The M4, by all accounts, provides better lap times and performance on the track than the 1M. Whether or not you like how the M4 goes about providing that performance, relative to the 1M, is of course entirely subjective.

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Like carmag Sportauto stated , the M4 is not designed as a sportscar, it's just a hot 4 series...but agreed it's a great car/ daily drive, but not 'a great trackday car' the way I see it, and the way it drove vs the 1M.

The M4 is not a traditional sports car, but certainly has all the makings of a sports car (unique engine, DCT or manual options, LSD, track-ready suspension/chassis and brakes). Also to call it a "hot 4 series" is really just downplaying the M brand's significance. We all know the M cars are based on the more practical luxury sedans/coupes, but they are more than just slightly upgraded 3/4 series cars.

Do you think of your 1m as a slightly upgraded 1 series?

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

S55 is a great engine, but so is the N54 in its own way.

The N54 was a great engine, and I enjoy it in my 335is. But it also had some issues (cooling issues, lack to top-end grunt, limited oil circulation during high-speed cornering). The S55 built upon the N54's foundation and improved upon nearly all of its weaknesses, which is why the S55 is a much superior engine.

The 1M was cool for its time. It was the ultimate expression by BMW of a small, light weight turbo powered car. But its uniqueness is and performance is somewhat marginalized by the M4 and even more so by the M2.

If you are into collecting unique BMW's, this is an awesome car to get. But the newer M cars are offering performance well beyond what the 1M is capable of.

[Karmic Man]

Dalko43, you got it all wrong about M's intention of the 1M. It is a car designed to be fun to drive as 1st priority. That's why they didn't give it anymore horsepower. Performance was only secondary.

They succeeded in spades. With Evo ganting it victory against more polished sports car like the Cayman R. Even the 1M has flaws...

To the OP, my suggestion is to drive both and then decide. I own a 1M and have driven the new M3 extensively.

My personal opinion is while the new M3 is faster than a stock 1M, it is less special because it is catered for a larger market and cannot be as focus in terms of pure driving pleasure. The feel of the hydraulic steering of the 1M makes a major difference in the pure factor. So does the short wheelbase which makes turn in sharper and more responsive.

For some, the additional performance and more importantly, the easier accessibility to the performance (with better turbo technology) and being the latest with the latest technology means everything.

For others, those that were drawn to the uniqueness and of the 1M, those things don't matter. 1M is still more fun to drive and own.

[Dalko43]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Dalko43, you got it all wrong about M's intention of the 1M. It is a car designed to be fun to drive as 1st priority. That's why they didn't give it anymore horsepower. Performance was only secondary.

They succeeded in spades. With Evo ganting it victory against more polished sports car like the Cayman R. Even the 1M has flaws...

Being fun to drive and performance are two characteristics that usually go hand-in-hand when it comes to cars, but we are getting into the subjective at this point. The real reason BMW didn't give the 1M more horsepower is because of warranty: the N54, with stock turbo's, can't maintain the same reliability, for the same length of time if you start tinkering with boost and the ECU.

There are plenty of N54 cars (1M's, 1-series, 3-series) that have been modded to get well north of 400HP....but the engine's reliable lifespan is greatly reduced at that point, and it costs quite a bit of money.

I love the N54, and I love what BMW did with it in the 1M. But I'm also realistic about what it offers, especially in comparison to the newer S55.

[EldRick]

The real reason BMW didn't give the 1M more horsepower is because of warranty...

I'd put down my money on the "real reason" being that they didn't want to take sales away from the more profitable M3.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Dalko43, you got it all wrong about M's intention of the 1M. It is a car designed to be fun to drive as 1st priority.

THIS.

the bottom line is that the 1M is a car that BMW didn't "have to" build....it's a car the engineers WANTED to build. There is a big difference, philosophically. It has an entirely different spirit to anything else out of this company...

[NickyC]

C7

[T1T2GRE]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

life is too short to worry about depreciation gains after 1 year, etc. buy the car you want. the end.

there will never be a BMW like the 1M again. If you want that feeling get a 1M. If you want the latest thing, get the M4.

Yup. +1.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by Dalko43

Most auto reviewers would disagree with your statement that the M4 is no better for track use. Also, the performance disparity between the two varies greatly depending on the track.

The 1M's 8:10 vs the M4's 7:52 at the nurburgring is an obvious example.

And time differences aside, the 1M's N54 is not as well optimized (in terms of cooling and oil circulation) for prolonged track use as the S55 is. That's just a fact.

please advise. will the m2 have an "s" motor with better cooling and oil circ for track?

all. I would argue all cars mentioned need a set of coilovers for street and track and a few bushings too.

[GrumpyBimmerFan]

Guys im not downplaying the 1m, its an amazing car, i just cant pay over the sticker on a 3 yr old car! Ive seen them for 50-55k, i found new m3 for 60k. If 1m was less, i would have grabbed it.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by kotik

Guys im not downplaying the 1m, its an amazing car, i just cant pay over the sticker on a 3 yr old car! Ive seen them for 50-55k, i found new m3 for 60k. If 1m was less, i would have grabbed it.

Guess its solid price is there for a reason. May be it will come down when the M2 debut, may be not.