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i said the M2 is much more comfortable whos talking about lexus? 1er M just feels uncomfortable seats and you feel like your cramped inside. try to compare it, sit in the 1er M then sit in the M2 its like a whole other league how the M2 feels much larger inside the cabin and more comfortable seats
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Note: CH said he prefers the 1M over the M2; he did not say the 1M is a better car. Both amazing cars IMHO, having both in the family. Welcome to the 1M Club CH.
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09-16-2016, 08:15 AM | #49 |
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Going from an M4 to a 1M, I really regret all the creature comforts, rev matchings, tech nannies, and power to grip balance... said by no one ever.
Can't say much about the M2 as I have yet to drive it. However, I have no real desire to spend time to go and find one to test drive based on what I know about my M4 (and how it relates to the M2) and the reviews between the two cars. The M2 seems to be a great performance car and the numbers it puts up will definitely attract a certain type of buyer. However, not once have I driven past someone or came to a stoplight in the 1M and thought "I wish I were faster"... it's hard to understand if you haven't lived with the 1M. |
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09-16-2016, 08:38 AM | #50 | |
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The seats are the exact same seats in both cars ... The seating position is higher in the M2 and power motors are standard in the US. The M2 has a more comfortable ride as a commuter car but that's a minor improvement as far as I am concerned. It probably has better cup holders too... |
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09-16-2016, 09:13 AM | #51 | |
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I love the seats in the 1M, perfect amount of bolstering and easy to get into and out of. |
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09-16-2016, 09:32 AM | #52 |
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I can only relate this to my own experience. When I was a teenager, my father had a Ferrari 308 GTS. It was not the fastest car in the world (at the time was pretty fast though) but the driving experience was overwhelming. The car was loud, fast, hard edged, exotic, but after about 90 minutes of driving it, you were emotionally exhausted and in need of a nap. The experience was amazing but also more involving in a way that today's faster more stable cars are not.
I equate the 1M driving experience vs the M2 in a similar way. Engineering progress will always raise the bar incrementally, but may not necessarily provide the same driving fulfillment versus some prior vehicles. Said another way, some older cars are just more fun to drive, even if they are statisically slower. As a side note, I'm debating selling my own F80 to get an M2. Though it is very modern, i just seems like it would be more engaging to drive. |
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Man, I really want a 308! Beautiful even after all these years. Even though a Toyota Sienna can go faster 0-60 than it, it doesn't take away from the beauty an experience of a car like that. The same goes for the 1M. Even though newer cars are better, it doesn't detract from its special character. M2 is probably the best "driver's" car BMW makes and I would get one for the exact reason as you said. Not as fast as M3/M4 but probably more enjoyable and it also sounds better IMHO. I think going from F80 to M2 is not as big a jump difference as going from base 1M to the F80 M3 or M2. I have a well known penchant for admiring the base interior of the previous generation cars with manual seats, non-power-folding mirrors, no Active Sound, no rev-matching, no comfort button, no iDrive controller, no laptop display on dash and big easy to ready instruments. That is one of the things I appreciate about the 1M that I would have to give up going to M2 or M3 since they are mandatory now. I hope you get your M2, it's a great car and will be very desirable down the road. Best wishes. |
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Well done Chris Harris, your taste is impeccable. What is his current stable of cars? From what I remember:
e28 M5 e30 M3 Sport evo '73 911 (Signal Green) Citroen 2CV e39 523i A few Range Rovers Audi S4 Avant (the one that smells like dog) Citroen AX GT Peugeot 205 Rallye MB E320 Cab Ferrari 512TR e30 325i Rally Car e30 M3 Rally Car And now this: (i know... it's not his, it's mine, and it's so proper ///M looking )
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The Donald Trump of Bimmerpost lol. I came from a 1m and I still love it, but M2 is certainly not a sportscar for dummies if you push it with all systems off. Total BS and he knows it. Or probably not and that's why he is saying that Cheers Robin |
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When you first start up in performance driving, none of these cars will be too much of a challenge because 95% of the drivers will not even scratch the end of the performance envelope let alone cross it. There is a lot of safety margin built into these cars so usually the first few track events are fine. When you end up being fast on track, again none of this matters much because you learn to adapt to the car, conditions of the day, tires etc. so it is much more like dancing with a partner. A slightly more challenging car can be a very good thing indeed at this point since it forces you to learn new things - but that is only if you can actually go faster in it by learning. If it's just being obstinate to no purpose then you will tire of it. It's the in-between bit can be tricky though - not enough skill to dance with it, but quick enough that you can get in trouble with it. People handle this transition period in various ways, and at their own pace. Again once you go beyond being fast, a challenging car can be both a blessing and a curse. If you are trying to slash lap times then maybe a challenging car is not the best bet. Then again if there is a light at the end of that tunnel where you use some of the peculiarities to go quicker then maybe you find its worth putting the effort in. Personally, I'm quick but not really fast. I could have fun in anything at the track these days, because I'd adapt to the circumstances and work with what's in hand. I'm having a blast with the F80 and don't really think it's very challenging in a bad sort of way. The only ones who say that IMO are people who treat the throttle like an on-off switch, and marvel at the resulting spin. YMMV. As a general rule, treat these reviews with many grains of salt.
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He probably loves it because it is tail happy. We've all seen CH drift cars at will, so this is a plus for him, wear-as for many others it probably would not be.
Good chance he chose it due to its collect ability. The 1M continues to be desirable because of it's low production numbers, not necessarily because it is such a great car. So far most tests and driving impressions have given the M2 way more praises. As a matter of fact it finished dead last in a 4 way comparison against all 2-seriers models. Flame suit on. |
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