1M Coupe Runs Nurburgring in 8:12

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by Advevo

Put on R comp tires on the 1///M you will see times under the 8 mins.

I doubt it. Sport Auto has done back to back tests with and without R compounds (Pirelli Corsas in this case on an Audi RS4) and the delta was 8 seconds improvement over street tires.

[supergoji]

Originally Posted by Robert

GT-R is also nearly 2x price of 135i or 1M.

then get an R33 gtr. it ran a 7:55 it's first production year in 1993 haha.
there's a few motorex onees for sale about 40k., and with some enhancements i'll run quicker haha.

GT-R FTW

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

I doubt it. Sport Auto has done back to back tests with and without R compounds (Pirelli Corsas in this case on an Audi RS4) and the delta was 8 seconds improvement over street tires.

take some good ones like Dunlop Direzze 03G (or a Michel Cup), and the difference will be bigger

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

I wonder how much the 19" wheels are hurting it's time?

-Jeff

On the M3 the 19inch are a few seconds per lap faster (on the Ring), I guess this will be the same for the 1M. BMW would have saved money if it would have delivered it standard with 18", so I guess there is a reason behind

[pDz]

prefer to revisit when an indy third party, such as Auto Und Sport, tests the cars (TT-RS, 1M) head to head using their driver.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by ad78

got owned by a 5cylinder 340HP TT-RS...

im wondering how much they will priced the TT-RS

not good...

ikr

[///Mangler]

Anyone have all iterations of the M3 ring times just for comparisons? Excluding the NA E36 M3 of course.

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[swamp2]

Whether the 8:12 is the SportAuto time or not is quite important. I'd also really like to know which tires were used for that laptime? Anyone?

[Drillslinger]

Originally Posted by formula M

btw.. ur avatar rocks, that movie was so chinzy & great at the same time.

Sho'nuff!

[Dackelone]

I found this interesting 'Ring test over on the German e46 forum. It is quite old, from Oct 7th, 2008.

http://www.e46fanatics.de/test-und-f...sind-drin.html

Post #10.

BMW Performance 135i vs Porsche Cayman S

What is most interesting is that the 135i was tested with ALL the Performance goodies, even the PPK (performance power kit!) plus all of the CF stuff.

BMW Performance 135i 'Ring time = 8:39.2
Porsche Cayman S 'Ring time = 8:31.9


Dackel

[ase2dais]

its nice..
but it didnt take my breath away like the last M3 unvailing at Paris three yrs ago.

the logo M means Marketing for this series M
since it has not yet a claim to history and had to borrow it from e30 M3 followers

[Robert]

Originally Posted by supergoji

then get an R33 gtr. it ran a 7:55 it's first production year in 1993 haha.
there's a few motorex onees for sale about 40k., and with some enhancements i'll run quicker haha.

GT-R FTW

Good shit. I am looking at a CaymanS but if I can get my hands on a GT-R (2nd gen) for mid 40s in couple years I may just wait.

[chris719]

It's very good considering the price of the car but not all that impressive for BMW considering they had achieved this time 4 years ago with Z4M.

Unfortunately I don't think they are all that interested in making an all-out small sports car. Only the M3 and M5/M6 get any real development, just like with the Z4M this is a parts bin M car. Even worse really because even that car got the M3's engine.

They probably don't think they can sell them for the price they would charge... maybe they're right.

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by PKumarM3

when stating that 45k can give you similar if not more potential, i throw the whole "premium" brand out the door. at the end of the day, if you want performance, you go for a performance / sports car. if you want a GT car, you go for a GT car. There are compromises when one tries to be another. People use the M3 as the perfect example - perfect for track days and you can pick up groceries on the way home.

Well depends on what you believe perfection for the track is. The brakes are weak, the lines are rubber, the pads are for the street so noise and dust are taken into account, the cars are heavy, the seats are not fixed back or even recaros that hug you, the suspension builds in understeer to avoid you from spinning, the list goes on and on. I don't find that perfection. Modifications are necessary. And even if you go so far, there will always be something that you have that is limiting you from getting close to 10/10ths. Thats how i see it.

for $45k you are going to have a hard time finding a NEW car that offers stellar performance numbers, but if you move to the used market you can find a few steals.

1. STi/Evo
2. 996 GT3 (sub 40k miles are in the 50k range, you go a bit higher, u have a monster)
3. 997 C2S (2005-2007 models) w/an Aero Kit that thing is a GT3 look alike w/a LSD that will dominate a 1m
4. Corvette Z06 C6
5. Cayman S (used)
6. if you want to get nuts, you can get SRT10 Vipers in the low 50s high 40k's


there are other options. The cars that I listed have way more potential than the bmw and are a bit more proven on the race track. THey may lack the creature comforts that BMW cars afford - heck thats the reason i did not trade my 335ix in for an EVO, but if this is going to be a toy - i dont see the need for creature comforts. Get the least amount of options and get as close to the visceral driving experience these fantastic machines can offer.

When comparing used high performance cars, and using price as the reason to compare, I get concerned because if there's one good way to shorten the lifespan of the expensive parts of a car or make it junk, it's to beat the crap out of it on the track or street. Start adding up the hanging by a thread engine/trans/diffs/brakes and the cost/benefit might not be as favorable.

[johnz330]

Originally Posted by marcel b

take some good ones like Dunlop Direzze 03G (or a Michel Cup), and the difference will be bigger

+1. Perhaps some R888s.

[Fuerza]

8:12 and still no video huh? Ok.... Lol.

[V_therussian]

You guys know what all of this proves to a "layman", such as myself? That only Porsches and GTRs that are worthy. All these 1M's and iS's - even the coveted E92 M3! - all cruisers, not bruisers. I'd love an E92 M3 - don't get me wrong. But I would not dare to compare it to THE best cars out there. It is better than just about everything else, but not better than Porsches and GTRs. And that's the simple truth.

And as much as I was anticipating the 1M, I'm very disappointed that BMW went ahead and "gay'efied" this car too. Namely, shorted it on the power, did not offer DCT, etc. Oh, and this is probably a stupid question to most of you guys, who know specs by heart, but does it even come with an LSD?

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by V_therussian

You guys know what all of this proves to a "layman", such as myself? That only Porsches and GTRs that are worthy. All these 1M's and iS's - even the coveted E92 M3! - all cruisers, not bruisers. I'd love an E92 M3 - don't get me wrong. But I would not dare to compare it to THE best cars out there. It is better than just about everything else, but not better than Porsches and GTRs. And that's the simple truth.

And as much as I was anticipating the 1M, I'm very disappointed that BMW went ahead and "gay'efied" this car too. Namely, shorted it on the power, did not offer DCT, etc. Oh, and this is probably a stupid question to most of you guys, who know specs by heart, but does it even come with an LSD?

yes it comes with a LSD.

Why would you compare a 1M with Porsches or a Nissan GTR???? They are in a completely different price range. A ferrari 458 is also faster then a 1M
And a GTR is maybe relative cheap to buy, but wait until you see the maintenance cost and fuel consumption. After every trackvisit you have to change the gearbox oil, otherwise you loose your warranty. (this is how it works in Europe at least) They also eliminated the launch control because the gearbox could not handle it. A set of tires of the GTR , and it overheats quite quickly. During the wintertire test of German magazine the GTR overheated. A guy I know who drove the GTR on the Ring managed 4 laps on a full tank only... (not even 100km on he sold it as he said he was spending more time fueling then driving.
Do not understand me wrong, I love the GTR (new and old ones) and it think it is a fantastic piece of engineering. But I think the comparison to a 1M not correct.

[spiderz17]

Originally Posted by V_therussian

You guys know what all of this proves to a "layman", such as myself? That only Porsches and GTRs that are worthy. All these 1M's and iS's - even the coveted E92 M3! - all cruisers, not bruisers. I'd love an E92 M3 - don't get me wrong. But I would not dare to compare it to THE best cars out there. It is better than just about everything else, but not better than Porsches and GTRs. And that's the simple truth.

And as much as I was anticipating the 1M, I'm very disappointed that BMW went ahead and "gay'efied" this car too. Namely, shorted it on the power, did not offer DCT, etc. Oh, and this is probably a stupid question to most of you guys, who know specs by heart, but does it even come with an LSD?

LSD is standard.

[JN2009]

I don't know if they will make a Competion package on the 1M ? If it yes I bet they will make it after release the new M3 Motor.In this case a 360hp 1M will be great .

[NFIDDY5]

Originally Posted by tvrfan

hahaha the 1M is 3 sec slower on the ring than the "understeering pig" (like bmwfanboys like to say) TT-RS. and 1 second slower than the 295hp Evo X.

And the EVO also has wider, lighter, and better tires. Not to mention an AWD system that comes second to no other car. You are comparing two totally different machine's. The EVO will out perform a lot of more powerful and expensive cars. That was Mitsu's purpose of making it. You are not too bright. The EVO is way ahead of the 1Min every major performance category except maybe HP and torque. And for the price, EVO > 1M.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by tvrfan

hahaha the 1M is 3 sec slower on the ring than the "understeering pig" (like bmwfanboys like to say) TT-RS. and 1 second slower than the 295hp Evo X.

Ummm an EVO is also faster than a Lamborghini Murcialago. But which would you prefer?