[peakpro]

I'm waiting.

The possbility of a 335i is worth a 6 month wait.

[peakpro]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Like I reported before, when dealers here were told of their September allocation of 335i they were told the 330i stays and the 335i will be a LOT more expensive than the 330i

If its a better car it should be more expensive.


At least you won't see one at every corner.

[Yaajer]

You're talking MSRP of about $48,000 for a base E46 M3 with 333hp. I would imagine an E90 with about 300hp to be around $42 - $43k base. Add on Premium ($2200) and Sports Package/Competition Pack ($1600-$4000) and you're already talking a low ball park figure of $45,800.

I'd love to see this pricing for the 335!

I'm going to wait a year after the 335 is out when the 335 folks jump to an M3. Then I'm gonna grab a nice 1 year old 335.

[wyrm11]

You guys are making the wrong comparisons. Comparing the 335 to the e46 M3 makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't matter that the e46 M3 had 333hp, the 335 isn't competing with the M3.

What matters is that LEXUS and INFINITI have or are coming out with direct competitors of the 335 that have 300+ HP and are priced WAY lower than the $45+k price tag you guys are throwing out there. No consumer is going to buy a BMW that has a similar setup but is priced at nearly $10k more than the IS350 or the G35. That's insane.

It's one thing if they decide to add 335 into the lineup on top of the 330. THEN I'll believe they'll price it that high. But if the 335 replaces the 330, there's no chance in hell MSRP starts at over $40k

[england1987]

I'm already in that situation. I was going to buy a 330i, but I read on this forum that there would be a 335i. I ask my dealer and they confirmed it. I went back to them a few weeks ago and ordered myself a 2007 BMW 335i, manual trans, sparkling graphite, black leather interior, sports package, premium package, sat-nav system. Now all I have to do is wait 7-8 months, yippee!

[RGRAY]

Originally Posted by england1987

...I went back to them a few weeks ago and ordered myself a 2007 BMW 335i,... Now all I have to do is wait 7-8 months, yippee!

That's a looonnnnnnnggggggg wait.

And how much did your dealer say it was going to cost?

[carnuts3]

Originally Posted by england1987

I'm already in that situation. I was going to buy a 330i, but I read on this forum that there would be a 335i. I ask my dealer and they confirmed it. I went back to them a few weeks ago and ordered myself a 2007 BMW 335i, manual trans, sparkling graphite, black leather interior, sports package, premium package, sat-nav system. Now all I have to do is wait 7-8 months, yippee!

Who is your dealer? I'd like to call them. My dealer knows nothing about the 335i and I have a 330i on order. If available, I will cancel the 330i and wait for the 335i.

[dpcdomino]

Wait for the news atleast. Even if you are not suaded by the extra HP, the official press realease of the coupe or/and the 335i will make it easier to make a deal on the present 330i.

Lets face it, unless there is a car on the lot, you will be waiting a couple months anyways. Another thing is that it is winter. Do you really want to break in a rear-wheel drive car in potential snow weather?

[StevoSEA]

Food for thought, based on past experience with BMW pricing structure, Even if the 335i and si (coupe) are released this year or come out in 2007 with release of the m3 the price jump will be more than 2 or 3k. The base m3 wil price at @$60,0000. so the base 335i or si with only 100hp less and minus m-suspention and interior/exterior bit will probably come in at $45-47k do the historic math
I would only buy if HP and "new model " envy were all important.

[gdnyc]

From reading these posts, I understand that the 335 will be a coupe? Or will they have a sedan as well? I ordered my car last week. I haven't decided whether to lease or finance, but if there will be a 335i sedan then I'm leasing. If that is announced you know the residuals on the 330's will drop. All this after having the car out for a year??? Doesn't make sense. Will BMW really do that?
If they do, I may consider sticking with Audi

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by StevoSEA

Food for thought, based on past experience with BMW pricing structure, Even if the 335i and si (coupe) are released this year or come out in 2007 with release of the m3 the price jump will be more than 2 or 3k. The base m3 wil price at @$60,0000. so the base 335i or si with only 100hp less and minus m-suspention and interior/exterior bit will probably come in at $45-47k do the historic math
I would only buy if HP and "new model " envy were all important.

I agree, although the Lexus/MB are doing it cheaper arguement has it merits.

[gdnyc]

If anything, BMW will price the 335i competitively with the Audi S4. The S4 base price is 46.5k. I think the new M3 will compete with the Audi RS4. I think the M3 price will be lower than that of the RS4.

[RGRAY]

Originally Posted by dpcdomino

...you will be waiting a couple months anyways. Another thing is that it is winter. Do you really want to break in a rear-wheel drive car in potential snow weather?

It's now February 6, if you have to wait 2 months that's April 6.

April 6 is not winter.

[Yaajer]

It doesn't matter. Everyone can agree that the introduction of the 335 will send shockwaves across the industry.

[Mono]

Originally Posted by wyrm11

You guys are making the wrong comparisons. Comparing the 335 to the e46 M3 makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't matter that the e46 M3 had 333hp, the 335 isn't competing with the M3.

What matters is that LEXUS and INFINITI have or are coming out with direct competitors of the 335 that have 300+ HP and are priced WAY lower than the $45+k price tag you guys are throwing out there. No consumer is going to buy a BMW that has a similar setup but is priced at nearly $10k more than the IS350 or the G35. That's insane.

It's one thing if they decide to add 335 into the lineup on top of the 330. THEN I'll believe they'll price it that high. But if the 335 replaces the 330, there's no chance in hell MSRP starts at over $40k

Bingo. I couldn’t agree more with your insight. This is exactly the problem with the current 330i. There is no denying someone looking at a 330i/335i will be likely to cross shop the IS 350 and G35. I did and I’ll bet many others on the web site have as well. I’m not saying horsepower figures make the final decision, but when vehicle pricing is factored into your decision, one cannot help but notice the 330i is down on power. Just think how much better the 335i will sell if they kept prices the same as the 330i. BMW already wins in the handling department, but now, they would seriously compete in the horsepower department as well. The car would sell like crazy if they stay within the market pricing segment.

I think we need to consider the buyer demographics for the 3 series. I believe the majority of people shopping for a 3 series cannot afford the 5 series. BMW studies buyer demographics just like any other car manufacturer. If they raise the price of the 335i over the 330i, it’s going to overlap with the 5 series pricing (assuming the 5 series pricing stays constant). If that happens, the buyer market for the 3 series will shrink. Not good for 3 series sales when BMW sells more 3 series than 5 series. And if they simply raise the 5 series pricing to overcome this issue, it will create a new issue for their 5 series buyer market.

Raising the prices of the 3 series for 2007 is not a smart move because BMW is already priced at the top of its market segment. Also, competition is only getting tougher for them in 2007. Heck, the 2007 Toyota Camry is getting 268 hp and the 2007 Lexus ES 300 is getting 275 hp. There are rumors in the G35 discussion forums of a G37 or 3.7L V6 rated over 300 hp. for 2007. The current G35 engine may be gone in 2007. Acura TL will get SH-AWD and more horsepower soon.

On another note, I am one of these people trying to decide on waiting for the 335i or getting a 330i right now. I seriously believe dealers are starting to get concerned about selling the 330i as the 335i rumors become more widespread. I think this is partly the reason they are offering 2.9% financing for up to 60 months on 2006 3 series models this month. Heck, Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are not offering that kind of financing right now. I already got an internet quote of $1,350 over invoice and 2.9% financing last week for a 2006 330i. I think that’s too much profit on a car may be discontinued soon. I’m sure BMW knows that and they are trying to squeeze as much profit as they can on any 330i right now. As soon as the 335i news becomes official, how many people are going to be singing up for a discontinued 330i?

[Mono]

Originally Posted by gdnyc

If anything, BMW will price the 335i competitively with the Audi S4. The S4 base price is 46.5k. I think the new M3 will compete with the Audi RS4. I think the M3 price will be lower than that of the RS4.

Nope, Audi S-line division and BMW M division are completely different from the entry level 3 series division. The 3 series is designed to compete with high volume competitors like Audi A4, Lexus IS 350, Infiniti G35, MB C350. The Audi S-line, BMW M, MB AMG, Dodge SRT for example, are low volume, specialty lines. The 335i is the top model 3 series intended to be sold at a high volume. It’s not intended to be a specialty car.

[stressdoc]

If E90Fleet is right, and he always is, then the 335i bi-turbo is not going to be a high volume seller in the Euro and RSA markets. Will it sell more than the E46 M3? Probably, if only because it will be less expensive and less specialized. But unless it is a true specialty car, intended as a temporary replacement for the M3, and a stopgap advertising measure to stem the embarassment of the E90 being smoked in acceleration by the IS350, I cannot see the logic of marketing it in the 45k range. Quite the enigma. I imagine BMWNA would love to label the 330i as a 335i, with a 335si bi-turbo DSG to actually slay the beast in the inevitable comparison tests in the car rags. But then they actually have to come up with some engine change to justify the label. And we all know where that speculation has gotten us...

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Mono

I think we need to consider the buyer demographics for the 3 series. I believe the majority of people shopping for a 3 series cannot afford the 5 series. BMW studies buyer demographics just like any other car manufacturer. If they raise the price of the 335i over the 330i, it’s going to overlap with the 5 series pricing (assuming the 5 series pricing stays constant). If that happens, the buyer market for the 3 series will shrink. Not good for 3 series sales when BMW sells more 3 series than 5 series. And if they simply raise the 5 series pricing to overcome this issue, it will create a new issue for their 5 series buyer market.

Raising the prices of the 3 series for 2007 is not a smart move because BMW is already priced at the top of its market segment. Also, competition is only getting tougher for them in 2007. Heck, the 2007 Toyota Camry is getting 268 hp and the 2007 Lexus ES 300 is getting 275 hp. There are rumors in the G35 discussion forums of a G37 or 3.7L V6 rated over 300 hp. for 2007. The current G35 engine may be gone in 2007. Acura TL will get SH-AWD and more horsepower soon.

On another note, I am one of these people trying to decide on waiting for the 335i or getting a 330i right now. I seriously believe dealers are starting to get concerned about selling the 330i as the 335i rumors become more widespread. I think this is partly the reason they are offering 2.9% financing for up to 60 months on 2006 3 series models this month. Heck, Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti are not offering that kind of financing right now. I already got an internet quote of $1,350 over invoice and 2.9% financing last week for a 2006 330i. I think that’s too much profit on a car may be discontinued soon. I’m sure BMW knows that and they are trying to squeeze as much profit as they can on any 330i right now. As soon as the 335i news becomes official, how many people are going to be singing up for a discontinued 330i?

1st piece--I don't know how much this has changed, but the target demographics for a 3'er buyer used to be late 20's early 30's earning about $75k/yr.

2nd piece--I agree, however the 5 series will also get the same engine eventually. There's a definete line they have to walk with pricing.

BMW doesn't have the ability to disperse their costs across a broad model line like the Asian competitors (Infinit IS Nissan, Lexus IS Toyota). Are we seeing the beginning of the end for BMW as a soley owned entity due to this handicap?

How is BMW going to address their cost of the 335? Raise prices so not to dilute the value of existing models and sustain residual values for the thousands of leased vehicles OR Keep prices low in relation to current models/competition, but take a bath on residual/wholesale values?

3rd piece - You're probably right.

[ap1994]

Id buy now. The 330i has more than enough power for everyday driving and I feel the gas consumption is slightly low. Im getting about 20 miles per gallon. Im 50/50 highway. I cant imagine getting worse gas mileage which im sure the 335i would have.

Yes, id like the extra power especially on paper, but would I utilize it in everyday driving? I dont think im even pushing the 330i plus I HATE turbo and no one is certain if the 335i will have turbo or not.

I guess it depends on your needs and what you are using the car for.
Andy

[ksfrogman]

Think of it this way. If a 328i and 335i currently displace the e90 lineup, all of us current e90 owners will have one rare car.

[poldim]

Originally Posted by RGRAY

Well, I didn't wait.

So what if the 330i is discontinued?

Wait for what; higher prices, more power?

You could wait forever.

No one knowns what the 2007s will be.

There's something special about having the first year.

Other then lots of problems?



jk

I havent really had any problems ecept for my auto dimming mirrors and that weird sound....

[kobechrome]

I take the philosophy that I'm happy with what I have. Otherwise I would go through life miserable because every product always has something better than the previous model coming out every few months.

I have my 325 now and I love driving it everyday. If I had the 330 and the prospect of a 335 was looming, would I jealous? Probably - but I can't say the same for a 325 vs 328. I think in the lower 3 series bracket the difference will much less.

Regardless, 330 owners will have a rare one of a kind e90 330