135is/135N55PPK vs M235 (stock) - Drag race

[BattleRaT]

Hey Guys,
I was trying to find a video or some kind of review about the performance of these two cars side by side (no suspension, weight, etc... just real world drag of these two stock cars)

I just want to know about the usual 0-30, 60, 100 1/4 mile.

In theory engines are almost the same but there is a small advantage in DCT vs 8speed (I guess) and there are some disadvantages such as weight.

Do you guys know if somebody did this basic test? a video perhaps?

Thanks!

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by BattleRaT

Hey Guys,
I was trying to find a video or some kind of review about the performance of these two cars side by side (no suspension, weight, etc... just real world drag of these two stock cars)

I just want to know about the usual 0-30, 60, 100 1/4 mile.

In theory engines are almost the same but there is a small advantage in DCT vs 8speed (I guess) and there are some disadvantages such as weight.

Do you guys know if somebody did this basic test? a video perhaps?

Thanks!

Doubt it, the 135is only sold in the US and even those production #'s are low. Most don't even realize this model exists. The few initial reviews that came out were a while back way before m235i ever made it to showrooms. Your best bet is to do some benchmark racing, 1/4 mile times and some power to weight ratios. Even if you did find a video, it'd prob be some amature driver at the local strip and that's hardly an objective comparison.

[CAVU]

^^^ +1

The power/weight ration for both cars are pretty evenly matched... differences in times would be the result of other variables such as driver skill, conditions, launch technique, etc.

All things being equal I would assume the M235i is just a hair quicker, but who knows. Just curious, why are you interested?

[mr_bean]

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

hardly an objective comparison.

There was a conversation recently on one of these BMW forums about 0-60 times. Basically, they mean nothing. DCTs and launch control can make a slower car faster on paper.

A great example is my 128i MT vs a 428i Xdrive DCT (a recent loaner I had). From a rolling start (or on a track) my 1er will kill it. But, it's a close match if you only care about 0-60.

Another good example:
http://jalopnik.com/porsche-918-prov...hit-1558177494

[Esteban]

Yes, I'd like to know this as well. And I'd hope that the N55 135i with DCT and PPK would beat up on the ugly pos M235i that's probably too weighed down by all the ///M badges (16) that it wears. It would probably be closer than I'd like, though. No, I'm not jealous, and yes, I am biased.

Edit: Here's a 0-60 times comparison.
2013 135is 0-60 4.5 seconds
2014 M235i 0-60 4.4 seconds

http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

The M235i is still an ugly pos with too many ///M badges imo.
Guess Rick was right about the M235i being just a hair quicker, with that hair being the equivalent of 1/10 of a second. Ha!

Steve

[Overpar56]

A tenth of a sec in meaningless. Who gives a crap if it's 4.5 to 4.4. Both are fast. I'm sure the 2ers are digging it but unless you do them under the same conditions (track, temp, fuel, fuel load, wind, fat driver vs slim driver) and it's not the prepped fleet car BMW will seed journalists, it could go either way. I think C&D does some equalization calculations for the variables, but that's math and what's the +/- %?

Drive what you like and not what everyone thinks.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Overpar56

A tenth of a sec in meaningless. Who gives a crap if it's 4.5 to 4.4. Both are fast. I'm sure the 2ers are digging it but unless you do them under the same conditions (track, temp, fuel, fuel load, wind, fat driver vs slim driver) and it's not the prepped fleet car BMW will seed journalists, it could go either way. I think C&D does some equalization calculations for the variables, but that's math and what's the +/- %?

Drive what you like and not what everyone thinks.

Umm, okay, I'll be the fat driver that goes 4.5 seconds cause I want to drive my 1er.

[Overpar56]

Originally Posted by EvenEsteban

Umm, okay, I'll be the fat driver that goes 4.5 seconds cause I want to drive my 1er.

The choices one makes in life.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by EvenEsteban

Umm, okay, I'll be the fat driver that goes 4.5 seconds cause I want to drive my 1er.

well it depends on what you ate for dinner. might be 4.7s!

[Overpar56]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

well it depends on what you ate for dinner. might be 4.7s!

I had 4 Lagunitas IPAs and a bunch of cocktail weinies tonight. I'm pulling 8.4 0-30.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Overpar56

I had 4 Lagunitas IPAs and a bunch of cocktail weinies tonight. I'm pulling 8.4 0-30.

LOL. classy!

[Diver]

IMO the .1 second advantage of the M235i could be from track conditions. Also, the M235i comes with a proper set of tires, not run flats.

[Vigilante375]

Doesn't it also have a LSD too instead of the BS diff the 1er has? Anyways, watch this video from the 1:40 mark to see how the M235i does in the 0-60, 1/4, braking and skidpad:

Hate all you want but its IS better than the 1er.

There is nothing really for the 135is other than an article showing what it can do from Car and Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

Heres Car and Drivers review of the M235i:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Doesn't it also have a LSD too instead of the BS diff the 1er has? Anyways, watch this video from the 1:40 mark to see how the M235i does in the 0-60, 1/4, braking and skidpad:


Hate all you want but its IS better than the 1er.

There is nothing really for the 135is other than an article showing what it can do from Car and Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

Heres Car and Drivers review of the M235i:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

Not that any of this matters because 0.1 or 0.2s here or there is really minutia for the most part but....

a few things you should keep in mind:

A) they 135is tested at 4.6s with a manual, the M235 with an automatic; the automatic would always be faster from 0. the numbers would be the same with the auto (DCT for the 1er) gearboxes

B) the M235 has the same open differential/E-diff as the 135 did. LSD is an option one could choose to have installed at the port/dealer

C) the 135is came and was tested with RUNFLAT tires, the M235i comes with PSS.

[e36addict]

Originally Posted by Overpar56

Drive what you like and not what everyone thinks.

That about sums it up.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Doesn't it also have a LSD too instead of the BS diff the 1er has? Anyways, watch this video from the 1:40 mark to see how the M235i does in the 0-60, 1/4, braking and skidpad:

Hate all you want but its IS better than the 1er.

There is nothing really for the 135is other than an article showing what it can do from Car and Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

Heres Car and Drivers review of the M235i:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

I don't care what those videos say or show you. I test drove the M235i twice and I found it too big, too soft and too refined. I'll take my raw little 1er any day over the M235i. That's my opinion, and since I decide what I'm driving, it's the only one that really matters to me. Everybody else can feel free to express theirs.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by EvenEsteban

Yes, I'd like to know this as well. And I'd hope that the N55 135i with DCT and PPK would beat up on the ugly pos M235i that's probably too weighed down by all the ///M badges (16) that it wears. It would probably be closer than I'd like, though. No, I'm not jealous, and yes, I am biased.

Edit: Here's a 0-60 times comparison.
2013 135is 0-60 4.5 seconds
2014 M235i 0-60 4.4 seconds

http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

The M235i is still an ugly pos with too many ///M badges imo.
Guess Rick was right about the M235i being just a hair quicker, with that hair being the equivalent of 1/10 of a second. Ha!

Steve

Originally Posted by EvenEsteban

I don't care what those videos say or show you. I test drove the M235i twice and I found it too big, too soft and too refined. I'll take my raw little 1er any day over the M235i. That's my opinion, and since I decide what I'm driving, it's the only one that really matters to me. Everybody else can feel free to express theirs.

Express all you want. Just curious though why are you so angry at the m235i?

[SabreE82]

N54 > all N55's. Case closed.

[Overpar56]

Originally Posted by Saber

N54 > all N55's. Case closed.

And Lagunitas IPAs are better than any East Coast IPA and I've tasted them all.

Burp!

[Vigilante375]

Well the proof is there and take it how you guys want but the 235i is slightly better.

Would I ever own one? No. The OP wanted to see STOCK numbers so I found them and showed them. Yes you can ditch the crappy runflats on the 1 and it'll make it perform like it should but it's not going to be that much.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

Express all you want. Just curious though why are you so angry at the m235i?

I'm not angry at all and all the other people who have said worse things than me about the M235i are probably not angry either, we're all just expressing our opinions. That's what you're supposed to do on the forum, right?

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Well the proof is there and take it how you guys want but the 235i is slightly better.

Would I ever own one? No. The OP wanted to see STOCK numbers so I found them and showed them. Yes you can ditch the crappy runflats on the 1 and it'll make it perform like it should but it's not going to be that much.

Considering the M235i is six years newer than the 135i it should be more than just slightly better regarding the numbers, but to me it's more about feel than any number, and my 135i feels way better to me than the M235i that I test drove, twice. Too big, too soft, too refined.

[whitebimmer09]

I think the ///MM235IMM\\\ is quite nice. Would I pay $50,320 for something that isn't much faster, better, cooler, than my 1, no.

I do think it is a great looking car, but so is the 1. I have to admit that I am a sucker for 0-60 times and cars that do it in the 4's.