ESS Tune Help w/Akrapovic

mrow · 12-19-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TUNEDM3

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Originally Posted by SNOOPY11

Not sure if you've seen this vid...

Two 1Ms..

One is stock, the other ESS and catback (not sure which). Not much of a difference so your butt might be accurate.

see ~1:00 and ~2:00

The white 1M in the video is mine. I am not quite sure why I made similar numbers to orange car, but I can assure you that the car is stock. I really have no reason to lie.

Man! We need answers! I was just preparing to order the ESS unit and expected 65 to 70 HP. I'm I dreaming or is it worth it?

65 to 70 HP from the tune alone, no other mods? You're dreaming

marcel b · 12-20-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TUNEDM3

Man! We need answers! I was just preparing to order the ESS unit and expected 65 to 70 HP. I'm I dreaming or is it worth it?

you are dreaming

On the 1M you will not get that kind of increases with a tune only. A good tune is still worth it though. (improved driveability and a nice bump in power, especially with some bolts on like FMIC and exhaust.

wolfmobil · 12-20-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorKTM

Drove another 100 miles, I feel no real difference, maybe slightly more linear power curve but definitely not much faster if any then stock tune.

Raptor, I have exactly same mods and my feeling is the same. It feels more linear. Power delivery is smoother in 1st and 2nd gears, but I don't feel a considerable power increase from ESS.

Fundahl · 12-20-2011, 02:24 PM

You guys really want to feel a gain? Hook up a JB4, run a tank of pure MS109 and keep turning the boost up on map6 until you see your ignition timing get "drops". Then, back down about 1psi from that setting.

You'll be left with a race gas tune that is very easily felt over the stock map.

SNOOPY11 · 12-20-2011, 02:39 PM

If claims are legit, any butt should feel "+33hp+38tq".

HondaGoneRogue · 12-20-2011, 02:40 PM

Too many people had "issues" with the ESS tunes. I wouldn't do it. COBB, GIAC, Juice Box 4. Those always perform well and very rarely does anyone complain if ever.

biglare · 12-21-2011, 12:42 AM

The factory tune on the 1M is very well done. You are not going to see as much gains on a tune for a 1M as compared to a 135 or a 335 with the N54 motor.

I did see good gains with my ESS Stage 1 Tune, however I do not have aftermarket downpipes see here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557030

I do think that if you have removed your cats with aftermarket downpipes that ESS needs to know this to maximize the tune for you and also to prevent a possible CEL.

As for the DME adapting after installing the ESS tune, it only takes about 20 miles or so for the DME to fully adapt.

Hope this helps!

marcel b · 12-21-2011, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HondaGoneRogue

Too many people had "issues" with the ESS tunes. I wouldn't do it. COBB, GIAC, Juice Box 4. Those always perform well and very rarely does anyone complain if ever.

You should add Evolve to that list

carchrism5 · 12-21-2011, 04:40 AM

I will have the Akra downpipes in a week or so. When those come in I'll get an updated ESS tune and strap it back down on the dyno and see what kind of power it makes.

TUNEDM3 · 12-21-2011, 06:52 AM

You will def notice gains because of the catless downpipes alone. The tune will not change, the only thing they will do is shut off your cel.

RaptorKTM · 12-21-2011, 12:13 PM

Well Im running with Downpipes and full exhaust and I am feeling a huge gain with the full system, but little to nothing from the Tune

sparoz · 12-21-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorKTM

Well Im running with Downpipes and full exhaust and I am feeling a huge gain with the full system, but little to nothing from the Tune

Are you able to may be dyno it with stock file and also with the tune file? The delivery is smoother so may be you don't feel as much kick as you expect? I certainly didn't feel a lot of extra kick but the gain is definitely there especially at the later rev ranges.

bklounge · 12-22-2011, 05:57 AM

Isn't boost creep a definite possibility from running a catless dp without a tune? I'd hate to see someone's engine blow up.

Fundahl · 12-22-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bklounge

Isn't boost creep a definite possibility from running a catless dp without a tune? I'd hate to see someone's engine blow up.

The engine management is set up in a way that it would not be possible for that to happen.

bklounge · 12-23-2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fundahl

The engine management is set up in a way that it would not be possible for that to happen.

How?

HP Autosport · 12-27-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorKTM

Just got the full akrapovic system with down pipes, drove about a hundred miles with no tune and felt good gain, surprisingly no check engine light. Day after got the ESS Tune and honestly did not feel any power gain. Any ideas what might be going on, possible pants in the seat dyno fail

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If you went completely cat less, you should be getting a CEL soon or later.

The tune does not need much time to adapt. Dyno with GIAC stage 1 switcher back to back show significant power gains.

superchargedman · 02-18-2012, 12:39 PM

Did this issue ever get resolved? Any explanation from ess?

biglare · 02-18-2012, 01:43 PM

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Did this issue ever get resolved? Any explanation from ess?

I don't think the real issue is even known unless the OP provides some dyno runs with and without the tune.

RaptorKTM · 02-18-2012, 11:18 PM

While Lare is correct, my butt dyno has shown after about 700 miles a monster difference in the power. This is the first turbo car ive owned that has taken this long to adapt. But so far this is what im gathering.

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Fundahl Captain 8 Rep 704 Posts Drives: VO 1M, 300zx TT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas iTrader: (0)	You guys really want to feel a gain? Hook up a JB4, run a tank of pure MS109 and keep turning the boost up on map6 until you see your ignition timing get "drops". Then, back down about 1psi from that setting. You'll be left with a race gas tune that is very easily felt over the stock map.
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biglare Bulldog 482 Rep 3,355 Posts Drives: BMW & Porsche Join Date: May 2008 Location: ? iTrader: (3)	The factory tune on the 1M is very well done. You are not going to see as much gains on a tune for a 1M as compared to a 135 or a 335 with the N54 motor. I did see good gains with my ESS Stage 1 Tune, however I do not have aftermarket downpipes see here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557030 I do think that if you have removed your cats with aftermarket downpipes that ESS needs to know this to maximize the tune for you and also to prevent a possible CEL. As for the DME adapting after installing the ESS tune, it only takes about 20 miles or so for the DME to fully adapt. Hope this helps! __________________ Prev: Individual F80 M3 - Fjord Blue/Silverstone(interior) \| Fashion Grey(exterior) GTS
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carchrism5 Lieutenant Colonel 336 Rep 1,589 Posts Drives: M2, X3 M40i, 911 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NC iTrader: (3)	I will have the Akra downpipes in a week or so. When those come in I'll get an updated ESS tune and strap it back down on the dyno and see what kind of power it makes.
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TUNEDM3 Stay Ripping 60 Rep 546 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New York iTrader: (4)	You will def notice gains because of the catless downpipes alone. The tune will not change, the only thing they will do is shut off your cel. __________________ THE GOBBLER- S.O.H
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RaptorKTM Colonel 234 Rep 2,366 Posts Drives: 1 M Coupe Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 1 M [0.00]	Well Im running with Downpipes and full exhaust and I am feeling a huge gain with the full system, but little to nothing from the Tune
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bklounge Second Lieutenant 52 Rep 275 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (2)	Isn't boost creep a definite possibility from running a catless dp without a tune? I'd hate to see someone's engine blow up.
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RaptorKTM Colonel 234 Rep 2,366 Posts Drives: 1 M Coupe Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 1 M [0.00]	While Lare is correct, my butt dyno has shown after about 700 miles a monster difference in the power. This is the first turbo car ive owned that has taken this long to adapt. But so far this is what im gathering.
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