drove 2009 civic si....

e82vette · 07-21-2009, 01:38 PM

my friend recently bought si,
i test drove it and it had only 2000KM,

the shifting was smooth like butter, click click.....
i wonder if the cdv will make our car shifting like that.....

jeremyc74 · 07-21-2009, 01:43 PM

The CDV doesn't have anything to do with the feel of the shifter.

oneintheory · 07-21-2009, 01:44 PM

My friend has an 09 Si, and I drive it all the time.

No, our gearboxes will never feel like that. They come stock with a Short Throw Shifter, and the action, while quite precise, is very metallic and mechanical. Our gearbox is very different...it has much more soul. While it could benefit from shorter shifts, I don't want it to feel like a Honda gearbox.

And the CDV mod won't affect gearbox feel, just clutch feel.

Simsims · 07-21-2009, 01:45 PM

we have the CDV

AchtungF80 · 07-21-2009, 01:51 PM

I think the BMW Performance SSK narrows the difference in shifter feel.
Hondas have always had very precise and smooth-short throwing shifters.

JHZR2 · 07-21-2009, 05:07 PM

... and at least in the multiple integras that Ive driven (including my wife's, which I drove a LOT), TERRIBLE clutch feel and action.

TMR013 · 07-21-2009, 05:34 PM

My old S2000 had the most amazing shifter, short smooth and fast. I test drove a Civic Si. It's a fun car. Too bad it's FWD.

jtsherri · 07-21-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMR013

My old S2000 had the most amazing shifter, short smooth and fast.

+1

I've not driven a car with a better shifter feel than the S2000... I know this is somewhat a matter of opinion, but I challenge someone to tell me one better.

sid33 · 07-21-2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMR013

My old S2000 had the most amazing shifter, short smooth and fast. I test drove a Civic Si. It's a fun car. Too bad it's FWD.

Agreed , my old S2000 had a fantastic gear box ... Its the one thing I wish I had in the 135i.. Everything else in our 135i's are

IMO

imported_mega · 07-21-2009, 06:46 PM

cvd does seem to affect shift feel for me, it's slowing the clutch throw, and sometimes I can feel it not wanting to pull out of gear, this would only happen if it was still partially engaged and only does it when I'm driving with purpose (most of the time)

jeremyc74 · 07-21-2009, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_mega

cvd does seem to affect shift feel for me, it's slowing the clutch throw, and sometimes I can feel it not wanting to pull out of gear, this would only happen if it was still partially engaged and only does it when I'm driving with purpose (most of the time)

It doesn't slow the release, only the engaugement.

RyanE92 · 07-21-2009, 07:29 PM

I've not spent much time driving Hondas, but I used to own a Miata. I loved that shifter.

HondaGoneRogue · 07-21-2009, 08:24 PM

My 06 Si shifted better than my 1er.

BForbes · 07-21-2009, 08:33 PM

I must agree with you fellas. MY04 still has the best shifter out of any car I've ever driven as well. What is this? A Honda forum? Sheesh. JK. ;-)

ptack · 07-21-2009, 08:46 PM

There's pretty much universal acclaim for Honda's masterful manuals. My 85 CRXsi was sweetest thing ever - effortless.

wmo168 · 07-21-2009, 10:15 PM

Did have a 07 335i then save gas got rid of it and bought a 08 Civic Si. Car is nice but it was SLOW, I floor it and other car still beat me like Atlima... I keep telling myself is ok... but even little kids with older civic, Mazda 3 try to race me and rev next to me at the light. I am tired of the rice and sold it taking $6k loss and ordered a 135i for next month ED. It seems like no one try to race you when you are in BMW and I like it that way...

Hans Delbruck · 07-21-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtsherri

+1

I've not driven a car with a better shifter feel than the S2000... I know this is somewhat a matter of opinion, but I challenge someone to tell me one better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sid33

Agreed , my old S2000 had a fantastic gear box ... Its the one thing I wish I had in the 135i.. Everything else in our 135i's are

IMO

+3 Honda makes great shifters, especially the S2000

BMWs IMO seem notchy and the throws are long, stock.

HondaGoneRogue · 07-22-2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmo168

Did have a 07 335i then save gas got rid of it and bought a 08 Civic Si. Car is nice but it was SLOW, I floor it and other car still beat me like Atlima... I keep telling myself is ok... but even little kids with older civic, Mazda 3 try to race me and rev next to me at the light. I am tired of the rice and sold it taking $6k loss and ordered a 135i for next month ED. It seems like no one try to race you when you are in BMW and I like it that way...

Not sure why you took a 6k loss? And I find that any nice or somewhat sporty car just gets to people sometimes and the immature ones want to race you. Buying a 135i I doubt will help. Just my .02. I've had porches, R8's and SLK's rev and try to run me. Germany is a sporty country though!

imported_mega · 07-22-2009, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

+3 Honda makes great shifters, especially the S2000

BMWs IMO seem notchy and the throws are long, stock.

I prefer the notchy feel so you KNOW when it's in gear, I HATE soft transmissions that dont give proper feedback

the throw is long in the bmw though

my foot must be my problem, I don't notice slow engagement when I let off the clutch

I only notice slow disengagement, my foot will be on the floor and the clutch is still engaged and it does not want to let go of the gear it's in. Drive by wire is also irritating, I'll slide my foot off the throttle pedal and it'll take a noticeable moment to cut power, I suppose this is the drive by wire + the time it takes to bypass boost, if I'm really trying to shift fast the combination of power still on + clutch not disengaged is irritating

when I bought my 135i I had to slow down my shifting on purpose, because it did not want to come out of gear, my R56 or M3 both did not have this problem.

atr_hugo · 07-22-2009, 06:49 AM

Shifters that have direct linkages to the shift forks generally have the best feel. FWD cars often use 'cables', as opposed to 'rods' and it's harder to get good feel (and the same goes for mid-engined and rear-engined cars).

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imported_mega · 07-22-2009, 07:11 AM

I did some experimenting today on the way to work, I think my initial shifting problems were break in related, now i can shift as fast as I want

but, there is lag when I release the gas pedal, if I shift really fast, the rpm's are still rising when I'm putting it in the next gear, every shift is a half power shift, my foot is not on the gas, but the rpm's go up when I push in the clutch and do not rev match.

I am not a fan of drive by wire, give me back a real throttle cable

pjdvd · 07-22-2009, 09:19 AM

+1 on the S2000

. I got spoiled with that car's shifter. Sounds like we have a number of ex-S2000 owners here... I guess great minds think alike!

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oneintheory no longer a BMW owner 152 Rep 1,463 Posts Drives: 2011 Ford Edge Sport Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Suffolk/Chesapeake, VA iTrader: (0)	My friend has an 09 Si, and I drive it all the time. No, our gearboxes will never feel like that. They come stock with a Short Throw Shifter, and the action, while quite precise, is very metallic and mechanical. Our gearbox is very different...it has much more soul. While it could benefit from shorter shifts, I don't want it to feel like a Honda gearbox. And the CDV mod won't affect gearbox feel, just clutch feel.
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wmo168 Lieutenant 41 Rep 584 Posts Drives: Need one! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Florida iTrader: (0)	Did have a 07 335i then save gas got rid of it and bought a 08 Civic Si. Car is nice but it was SLOW, I floor it and other car still beat me like Atlima... I keep telling myself is ok... but even little kids with older civic, Mazda 3 try to race me and rev next to me at the light. I am tired of the rice and sold it taking $6k loss and ordered a 135i for next month ED. It seems like no one try to race you when you are in BMW and I like it that way...
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imported_mega Colonel 122 Rep 2,199 Posts Drives: various bmw's Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: neverland iTrader: (0)	I did some experimenting today on the way to work, I think my initial shifting problems were break in related, now i can shift as fast as I want but, there is lag when I release the gas pedal, if I shift really fast, the rpm's are still rising when I'm putting it in the next gear, every shift is a half power shift, my foot is not on the gas, but the rpm's go up when I push in the clutch and do not rev match. I am not a fan of drive by wire, give me back a real throttle cable __________________ You only need two tools in life - WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape. Driving e82, e72, e85, R53 Gone but not forgotten.. 1974 2002, many various 3s.
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