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      04-17-2010, 11:41 AM   #67
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I know from a source of a very well known BMW Tuner, that a supplier is right now testing a really big break for the new 1M.
So I think that the break we are seeing on the spy shots will not be the final.
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      04-17-2010, 04:19 PM   #68
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Nelson piquet once said when he drove the bmw turbo F1.

If you wanted to stay on the track you could only give throttle on the straights.

Now that s fun.




A turbo car rwd with a limited slip diff is never as nice to control midcorner than NA high rev engine with inmediate throttle response. If you don t know the difference you better can buy a drag race car.
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      04-17-2010, 07:22 PM   #69
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A turbo car rwd with a limited slip diff is never as nice to control midcorner than NA high rev engine with inmediate throttle response. If you don t know the difference you better can buy a drag race car.
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      04-17-2010, 09:42 PM   #70
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Why? Because nearly forty years ago BMW named a limited production car the M1? Weak. Using current numerology, they'll probably save the M8 name for such duty. M1 as the top end sports car would be confusing now that there's a 1er, something that wasn't a problem way back when.

Seriously, if they were to name a sport ute the 507, would it really cause you to lose sleep? Who cares? It's an alphanumeric name from a brand with limited heritage. Ferrari will slap the GTO badge on all sorts of rubbish and people don't put up the fight that the M1 seems to get.

You didn't look up the original 328, did you?
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      04-18-2010, 09:21 AM   #71
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My dad's M coupe didn't come with runflats--just a can of fix a flat.

I think the ///M cars don't get RFTs.....
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      04-18-2010, 09:33 AM   #72
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My dad's M coupe didn't come with runflats--just a can of fix a flat.

I think the ///M cars don't get RFTs.....
Exactly, the only exception are the X ///M models.


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      04-18-2010, 10:57 AM   #73
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A turbo car rwd with a limited slip diff is never as nice to control midcorner than NA high rev engine with inmediate throttle response. If you don t know the difference you better can buy a drag race car.
I would be VERY careful to state this as a general "fact"! Since presence and future is and will be the time for FI engines, all engineering efforts are being put into further development of FI technology. So the response time window of a modern turbo engine is getting more and more in the range of an NA engine. I expect the new ///M engines to be very good in terms of response time. That good that I expect the majority of people (without you advevo of course ) are quite happy with it. By the way: An FI engine with a redline at 7500 has for sure the same usable rev band as a NA engine with a redline of 8400.
So instead of repeating the same statement over and over and over again, I would recommend to wait and see and then drive the new model and then give an educated judgement.
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By the way: An FI engine with a redline at 7500 has for sure the same usable rev band as a NA engine with a redline of 8400.
The experience is likely very much different.
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      04-18-2010, 05:58 PM   #76
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My friend is a bmw dealer so i will drive one also the new M5 turbo and i will post my findings thats for sure. But i quess i already know them. I am driving and buying cars with my racing hart. I don t buy an M5 or M3 or M1 because of the badge. If it does not bring any fun midcorner i am done with it. Even if it has 1000 hp and a bmw ///M badge as big as a house.

I am no badge buyer and no status buyer. I am always in search of thru drivers cars.

A 130i with a few tweaks is still bmw best car which you can buy new today. It s agile it s tossible the engine is great.

Of course an M3 has far more status. But the 130i is the better drivers car when the corners arrive.
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      04-18-2010, 06:14 PM   #77
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My friend is a bmw dealer so i will drive one also the new M5 turbo and i will post my findings thats for sure. But i quess i already know them. I am driving and buying cars with my racing hart. I don t buy an M5 or M3 or M1 because of the badge. If it does not bring any fun midcorner i am done with it. Even if it has 1000 hp and a bmw ///M badge as big as a house.

I am no badge buyer and no status buyer. I am always in search of thru drivers cars.

A 130i with a few tweaks is still bmw best car which you can buy new today. It s agile it s tossible the engine is great.

Of course an M3 has far more status. But the 130i is the better drivers car when the corners arrive.

I agree with you about the 130i. But I just want to know, if you are done with M, what will you get? RS, AMG, P-Car, Mustang, Corvette? And if a P-Car, then either Cayman/S, Carrera/S or GT3/RS?
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      04-18-2010, 07:23 PM   #78
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F1 banned turbos because they dominated the sport...
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It s a 6 cil AG engine with two small turbo s which is from the z4 3.5is the suspension diff and brakes etc is from the M3 and the body is from the 135i coupe.

Pff what would you call it. ///R1

R from Recycle.

It s certainly not worty to put an M1 name on. There not the usual developments on this car like most ///M have had. This car only exist because they can use parts which have already been made from other AG and //M cars. Just to wring the last money out of those old parts.

An M1 would have a lightweight engine with lightweight drivetrain. A small ///M diff with lightweight 4 or 6 pot brakes nice racy seats alcantara steeringwheel. New parts. Not some grab from the parts bin parts M1.
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///R1

thats classic. I would have to say he is absolutely 100% correct. The current 1 series chassis has been out for awhile. Now at the end of it's life cycle you want to make an ///M model. The one they are testing at the ring looks down right ragedy/hideous. BMW should start fresh once this current body style rolls to an end.

Well said........well said.

///M has become that great friend of yours who becomes famous and begins to forget what got them there, and begins acting like a douche and stops working hard.

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Exactly, the only exception are the X ///M models.


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Well, not really, because they really aren't ///Ms

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      04-19-2010, 02:44 AM   #81
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4. The car will film within the Los Angeles area over the Summer.
As a 1 addict in Los Angeles, I would love to catch a sneak peek at the M1/1M. If you need anyone to hold light reflectors for the shoot, I'm your man!
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      04-19-2010, 02:50 AM   #82
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A 130i with a few tweaks is still bmw best car which you can buy new today. It s agile it s tossible the engine is great.

Of course an M3 has far more status. But the 130i is the better drivers car when the corners arrive.
Hi advevo,

don't get me wrong. I am also in love with BMW NA engines. I am driving a Z4 coupe with the N52. Since the Z4 is quite lightweight (lower center of gravity and wider track than 130i) it is much fun. Cornering is quite good, but I am missing a LSD here. So the same goes for the 130i you are referring to. With the serial or even the M suspension a 130i is not that agile as it could be. So basically you are comparing your extremly modded 130i with any serial M car?
But let's wait and see. I will definitly come back to this forum as soon as ///M1 is at dealers to hear your findings after having driven it.... maybe I will hear some forgiving statement?
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      04-19-2010, 03:31 AM   #83
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That's very interesting and I do appreciate some of the comments re FI.

I am just thinking out loud, but if they can actually have variable boost while the car is in a corner, it might eliminate some problems of a FI engine. All the yaw rates and turning angles are being calculated anyway, so I don't see why they can't apply a variable boost so that you have a more linear torque response during mid corner.

For example, once the car is turning at 3-4k rpm - the throttle response will give no or little boost - ie you have the same throttle response of a NA. As it exits the corner, the boost gradually comes back as the car straightens with your throttle response.

It won't solve all the problems - like the computer with the DCT still gets the wrong gear, but it certainly would be an improvement over a standard FI where all the boost comes in earlier.

The best thing about this is it would actually be ECU development and not much need to be done with the engine.

I tell you what - if this actually works, they better pay me :P
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My friend is a bmw dealer so i will drive one also the new M5 turbo and i will post my findings thats for sure. But i quess i already know them. I am driving and buying cars with my racing hart. I don t buy an M5 or M3 or M1 because of the badge. If it does not bring any fun midcorner i am done with it. Even if it has 1000 hp and a bmw ///M badge as big as a house.

I am no badge buyer and no status buyer. I am always in search of thru drivers cars.

A 130i with a few tweaks is still bmw best car which you can buy new today. It s agile it s tossible the engine is great.

Of course an M3 has far more status. But the 130i is the better drivers car when the corners arrive.
This is true. my buddy always has a faster time than me in his 128i than I do in my 135i at autocross. his car always feels like its on the verge of losing it, but its must be rediculously controllable cause he never spins. Not just me either, only two 135's had a faster time than him yesterday, he beat four of us. Its a good car!
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That's very interesting and I do appreciate some of the comments re FI.

I am just thinking out loud, but if they can actually have variable boost while the car is in a corner, it might eliminate some problems of a FI engine. All the yaw rates and turning angles are being calculated anyway, so I don't see why they can't apply a variable boost so that you have a more linear torque response during mid corner.

For example, once the car is turning at 3-4k rpm - the throttle response will give no or little boost - ie you have the same throttle response of a NA. As it exits the corner, the boost gradually comes back as the car straightens with your throttle response.

It won't solve all the problems - like the computer with the DCT still gets the wrong gear, but it certainly would be an improvement over a standard FI where all the boost comes in earlier.

The best thing about this is it would actually be ECU development and not much need to be done with the engine.

I tell you what - if this actually works, they better pay me :P
This is a terrible, terrible idea. A turbocharged engine with no boost is about as bad as it gets, the only reason they make any power is because of boost. Having a 400hp N/A engine responding at 7000RPMs mid corner is a little different than a 400hp turbo engine with the wastegate wide open trying to fart out 100hp with no boost.
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5. Social media will be used to communicate the new car to a new demographic of customers.
AKA "The Fast and the Furious" crowd.
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AKA "The Fast and the Furious" crowd.
Nah... they will be too interested in the new Civic CR-Z
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