Track Settings E87

kbird · 05-03-2011, 02:32 PM

Hi, please can you help?

I'm based in the UK and race an E87 130i that has M3 arms, Ohlins/KW (mid set) dampers with a solid mounted rear sub-fame and solid engine mounts. I have to run road tyres in the series I compete in so Yokohama AD08's (235/40x18 & 265/35X18) on 9J 35et rims. Spring rates are 475lbs front/rear and I run a Drexler LSD. Camber is 2.5 all round, 4mm toe in rear, 2mm toe out front.

With this set up and 300bhp 260lbs/ft, I struggle getting the power down without oversteer

What suggestions do you have on this set up to help the oversteer?

Thanks

pixelblue · 05-03-2011, 02:53 PM

I would suggest setting the rear dampers to a softer setting and increasing rear tire pressure. additionally you could reduce your front camber or increase rear camber. you could also reduce front toe-out as well as more negative caster. all these would help with reducing over steer.

furthermore you can try modulating the throttle a little better coming out of turns. 135 has more torque and it all comes at a very low rpm so I need to be careful with throttle inputs otherwise I will be facing the oncoming traffic

kbird · 05-03-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pixelblue

I would suggest setting the rear dampers to a softer setting and increasing rear tire pressure. additionally you could reduce your front camber or increase rear camber. you could also reduce front toe-out as well as more negative caster. all these would help with reducing over steer.

furthermore you can try modulating the throttle a little better coming out of turns. 135 has more torque and it all comes at a very low rpm so I need to be careful with throttle inputs otherwise I will be facing the oncoming traffic

What tires are you running?

pixelblue · 05-03-2011, 03:12 PM

Running BFG R1

kbird · 05-05-2011, 01:59 AM

Any other set up suggestions?

130iguy · 05-05-2011, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kbird

With this set up and 300bhp 260lbs/ft, I struggle getting the power down without oversteer

What engine mods do you have???

kbird · 05-05-2011, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 130iguy

What engine mods do you have???

E36 M3 throttle bodies, race exhaust manifold, Motec ECU. Standard head and cams but the Valvetronic is locked at full lift

130iguy · 05-05-2011, 02:31 AM

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kbird · 05-05-2011, 02:45 AM

In action!

Dackelone · 05-05-2011, 05:46 AM

^^What a cool engine transplant!

kbird · 05-05-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

^^What a cool engine transplant!

No transplant! This is the standard 130i engine

Samoht · 05-05-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kbird

No transplant! This is the standard 130i engine

How can u get a 255hp 330i engine into 300hp?

pls shed some light..,more info on mods thx,

kbird · 05-05-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoht

How can u get a 255hp 330i engine into 300hp?

pls shed some light..,more info on mods thx,

In Europe the N52B30 engine was fitted in the E87 as a 130i

To get the power we first removed all the standard wiring looms, ECU's, fused boxes etc and fitted a custom loom with Motec M800 ECU and Motec PDM 30.

ARP con rod bolts, E36 throttle bodies on custom inlet manifold, race headers as used by BMW South Africa and a lightened flywheel.

This gave 299bhp at 7200rpm.

Dackelone · 05-05-2011, 05:46 PM

I heard a tune on a 130i will get you 280 PS and 325Nm with an otherwise stock motor. this is done solely with software.

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No transplant! This is the standard 130i engine

Sorry, I saw the vave cover and it reminded me of an older engine. Now that I look closer to your engine photo - I can see the N52 waffling of the engine block.

kbird · 10-22-2011, 02:33 PM

Engine bay tidied, flowed head and race cams 335bhp, nice!

kobeballer96 · 03-26-2014, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kbird

Engine bay tidied, flowed head and race cams 335bhp, nice!

Can you make a race cam for us? If so how much? Interested!

kbird · 03-26-2014, 05:51 AM

Sorry I can't make cams, we had some made by Piper in the UK but you need to delete the Valvetronic and replace it with a N54 cam carrier, not straight forward!

_Ryan_ · 04-12-2014, 05:05 AM

Cool build. How does the 18x9+35 fit? light lipping of the guards required?

kbird · 04-12-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ryan_

Cool build. How does the 18x9+35 fit? light lipping of the guards required?

The rear arches are rolled so they fit fine

sirantsE90 · 07-29-2014, 06:31 AM

Finally someone here throwing on ITB's to help our wonderful throttle response.

Taskmaster · 08-05-2014, 01:16 PM

What failed on the engine that is causing the replacement? What are you doing as far as chassis setup now?

kbird · 08-06-2014, 01:25 AM

Nothing failed, its a race engine

Intrax 1K2's

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kbird Private 43 Rep 62 Posts Drives: M3 GT4 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Somerset, UK iTrader: (0)	Track Settings E87 Hi, please can you help? I'm based in the UK and race an E87 130i that has M3 arms, Ohlins/KW (mid set) dampers with a solid mounted rear sub-fame and solid engine mounts. I have to run road tyres in the series I compete in so Yokohama AD08's (235/40x18 & 265/35X18) on 9J 35et rims. Spring rates are 475lbs front/rear and I run a Drexler LSD. Camber is 2.5 all round, 4mm toe in rear, 2mm toe out front. With this set up and 300bhp 260lbs/ft, I struggle getting the power down without oversteer What suggestions do you have on this set up to help the oversteer? Thanks
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pixelblue Colonel 140 Rep 2,234 Posts Drives: the silver bullet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: northern virginia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2010 135i [8.90]	I would suggest setting the rear dampers to a softer setting and increasing rear tire pressure. additionally you could reduce your front camber or increase rear camber. you could also reduce front toe-out as well as more negative caster. all these would help with reducing over steer. furthermore you can try modulating the throttle a little better coming out of turns. 135 has more torque and it all comes at a very low rpm so I need to be careful with throttle inputs otherwise I will be facing the oncoming traffic __________________ "I would quote everything pixelblue said, but you've already read it. Take it from someone who's put the 1 through its paces"
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Dackelone European Editor 10528 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	I heard a tune on a 130i will get you 280 PS and 325Nm with an otherwise stock motor. this is done solely with software. Quote: Originally Posted by kbird No transplant! This is the standard 130i engine Sorry, I saw the vave cover and it reminded me of an older engine. Now that I look closer to your engine photo - I can see the N52 waffling of the engine block.
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