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03-07-2012, 12:05 AM | #67 |
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Shame about the Z4 ///M - anyone that says an e89 ///M is diluting the line is full of crap.
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03-07-2012, 12:17 AM | #68 | |
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The high performance diesels in the M Performance line would be a great option though for the X3.....would make it a bad ass little SUV / SAV. Cheers, e46e92
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03-07-2012, 12:44 AM | #69 |
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The only experience I have with M cars is riding in my buddy's E60 M5 so my experience is limited. Perhaps I'm missing something here but why must M cars only be track ready coupes and sedans? Is it out of tradition? Even the Z4M is getting scrapped.
The auto industry is continually evolving and the hottest car segment right now are small/mid-sized crossovers. BMW claims to build "the ultimate driving machine" but doesn't have any plans to build a X3M even though Audi is building an S version of the Q5 and Porsche is building the Cajun which you better believe will perform fantastically as a poor performing Porsche is probably more of a hearsay than a diluted M line up. I believe MB is right in their decision to offer AMG versions on almost all of their cars as they probably understand that most people who buy high performance AMG, M, or RS models aren't tracking the cars, they're driving it around town or to the office and home. To the individual who says there's no market for a X3M I'd have to disagree, provide the auto market with a high performance small crossover with xDrive so you get great performance rain or shine, and the brand image that BMW conveys and it'll be a hit. Plus if BMW stays true to their motto by building the ultimate driving machine they'll just take the money from the increase in sales and invest it to the rest of the line up. |
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03-07-2012, 12:49 AM | #70 |
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Totally agree. There's definitely a market for it but it's a shame it's not happening now, I was very interested in one.
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03-07-2012, 02:56 AM | #73 |
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This naturally raises the question of why we dispense with the models.
Both X3M and Z4M would be relatively easy to implement. Parts can be found on the shelf sufficient. Except for the engine! The V8 will not fit in two under the hood. Thus, only the engine would remain in the next M3 ... He opens up new unconscious speculation! Because both the Z4 and X3 in the R6 would have been working with 3.0 liters ... so the next M3 could really make a get R6, then this engine will certainly be introduced with little effort. A V6, however one would have already put a lot of effort into it and that would be risky for the remaining term of the two models in terms of expected numbers of very. |
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03-07-2012, 03:24 AM | #74 | |
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That is also my thinking. BMW does not want to put the S65 into the Z4 for obvious reasons. An I6 would not be a problem but because the M3 is getting a V6, the implant is going to be more costly. This does not mean we won't see and Z4 M35i LCI, instead of the Z4 sDrive35is, and an X3 M35i with probably also a diesel version. |
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03-07-2012, 05:28 AM | #75 | |
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BMW is notorious for the whole package deal that makes the car so great. On a personal note, not a big fan of the Mercedes E/S-class styling. The only Mercedes "style" I like are the SLK, SL and SLS. They really need to do something about that finned front grill on their E and S Class... reminds me of old people for some reason... |
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03-07-2012, 08:10 AM | #77 |
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E85 is just too old to try to sneak an ///M model in. Yeah, they rushed out the 1M, but that was probably not the way they like to do it.
I think an X3M would be rather cool. |
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03-07-2012, 08:41 AM | #78 |
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03-07-2012, 09:55 AM | #79 | |
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Because of its sportier profile, I totally get making a high-power version of the X4. The Macan will be right up the X4M's alley, as would any high-power version of the Evoque.
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I agree, this is pretty much what I also said in another thread. BMW probably doesn't want to use the tri-turbo being developed for the new M3 and they can't use the N54 like the did in the 1M coupe unless they also make the X3M and Z4M limited production models. |
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03-07-2012, 10:33 AM | #83 | |
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Personally I really like the 4 door Evoque and can't stand the 2 door (most people are opposite I think). a 2 door SUV just looks horrible and is really pointless. I really hope BMW doesn't make the X4 2 doors or at least they better offer a 4 door one like Porsche and Land Rover are doing. The whole reason I would consider a X4M is because I have a family (2 young kids), don't want a 5 series or larger, but would like a little more room than my C63 offers, and don't like wagons (like most people in the US, they just never caught on here, which is a whole different discussion). Also the AWD in the X4 would be huge for me, sure I can drive in the snow/ice with RWD, have been doing it for years with winter tires, but its so much easier with AWD, haha. I am at the point where I like practical and simple things but still love the power, so X4M would be a great option (as my only other choice would be an Audi RS4 which Audi already said will not come to the US ![]() |
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03-07-2012, 10:42 AM | #84 |
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I remember hearing that rumor, but I hope the Z2 models don't turn out to be FWD. I also recall Scott recently mentioned how much demand there was worldwide for the original Z3. While the current Z4 has moved significantly up market since then, there should certainly be demand for a back-to-basics, smaller, RWD roadster/coupe to take over where the Z3 left off. Hopefully the Z2 will be that car.
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^ Remember that when the z3 came out, there was virtually no competition -- Porsche Boxter/Audi TT/Mercedes SLK all came out later. The market is much more competitive, though I agree - I'd much rather buy a smaller Z2M without a fancy folding hardtop than the e89
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Even if there were an F11 M5 Touring - BMW would not sell it in the US Market. The anti-wagon market has now claimed another victim. Jaguar are not bringing the XF Sportbrake to the US.
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Crossover SUV's may be pointless as two door models, but that is not the case for traditional SUV's. The point of a two door SUV like a Jeep Wrangler, Land Rover D90, or Toyota FJ for example is to have a shorter wheelbase making it more agile for four wheeling on a trail. That of course doesn't apply to crossover SUV's, so I guess the only reason for a two door crossover is the look, which is like the usual coupe vs sedan debate.
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Thanks, Scott.
Does that mean that BMW will not make an X5M or X6M and relegate those two SUVs to just the M Performance range after this generation?
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