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      12-30-2017, 11:27 PM   #1
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Warm up time

My 1M seems to take quite a while to get to operating temperature. Probably about 7-8 minutes of driving and several miles. My Honda is at operating temperature after backing out of my driveway.

I haven't driven my 1M in about 7 months and am about to take it out for winter (I live in AZ). I remember wondering about this before and wanted to check with the group. Thanks
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      12-31-2017, 12:58 AM   #2
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Same for me. It does take much longer than other cars I've noticed. Compared to my e46 M3 I would guess the 1M takes twice as long.
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My 135is was the same as my 1M. Both have extra oil coolers....assuming some connection?

My Volvo XC70 is the same as your Accord. I don’t get out of the neighborhood in 30 degree weather before it’s somewhat warm.

When I got the 1M I had a work friend ask to go for a ride and said “it would take us 20 mins before I’d drive it hard”.
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My experience the same. However keep in mind that oil temp (1M) and coolant temp (Honda) gauges are indicating very different things.
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      12-31-2017, 02:42 AM   #5
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My experience the same. However keep in mind that oil temp (1M) and coolant temp (Honda) gauges are indicating very different things.
Same here. The normal range is higher than we are used to. It takes a bit.
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N55 135i here and it takes a while for my oil temp to warm up as well. Normal.
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Oil takes a hell of a lot longer to warm up than coolant, especially when cold out. When it is well below freezing, sometimes the oil never gets up to full temp, even after hours of highway driving.

Also, the Honda coolant temp gauge is not a real gauge, think of it as a three position switch. The 1er has an actual temp gauge. So you are seeing real data, not make you feel OK data.
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      12-31-2017, 02:17 PM   #8
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The coldest l have drove the 1M was -6c or +\- 23F and it took forever to get the engine to temperature like 30 mins. You have to keep in mind that your gauge is showing oil temperature which is much more representative of you engine state. My 328d get it engine temperature up to 100c in any temperature up to -10c it does take much more time than my Ford Focus which is showing coolant temperature. For the last week temperature been ranging between -19c and -30c and I can't get the 328d oil above 80c. So if you drive in cold weather you may never reach full working temperature on the engine oil.
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Thank you all very much!

I used to have a VW TDI, and in one Chicago winter I drove it in -6 degree temps and after an hour of driving the gauge had barely moved! Thankfully the car had heated seats.
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My 1M seems to take quite a while to get to operating temperature. Probably about 7-8 minutes of driving and several miles. My Honda is at operating temperature after backing out of my driveway.

I haven't driven my 1M in about 7 months and am about to take it out for winter (I live in AZ). I remember wondering about this before and wanted to check with the group. Thanks
Hondas do warm up quickly. Especially 4 cyl models that only have 4 quarts of oil capacity.

My Subaru was a 4 and extremely quick.

Most BMW 6 cyl motors have nearly twice the oil capacity of a Honda 2.2L so..
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Thank you all very much!

I used to have a VW TDI, and in one Chicago winter I drove it in -6 degree temps and after an hour of driving the gauge had barely moved! Thankfully the car had heated seats.
My current Golf R gets 50c oil temperature in about 10 minutes of driving, nearly 20 mins in and it reaches 87-90c.

If i am not in a hurry i take a slightly longer route to my destination, even when my mother came to visit me she asked me why am i taking the longer route.

"i want to properly warm up the engine" i said, and she just smiled.

95% of the time i have to drive through the city to get to my destination, or even to get to the autobahn, shifting at no more than 2,200 rpm barely touching the throttle etc. Once i see 50c on the oil, i slowly start shifting below 3,000 rpm (still babying the throttle).

When i am in a hurry, i shift faster but always keep the rpms to my liking.

The car uses 5w30 so it is thinner than the 0w40 once 50c is reached. the 1 series gauges starts at 70c mine starts at 50c. The R does have 1 external oil cooler but it is a 2018 model so maybe they have installed a higher thermostat to allow the oil to heat up asap.
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My current Golf R gets 50c oil temperature in about 10 minutes of driving, nearly 20 mins in and it reaches 87-90c.

If i am not in a hurry i take a slightly longer route to my destination, even when my mother came to visit me she asked me why am i taking the longer route.

"i want to properly warm up the engine" i said, and she just smiled.

95% of the time i have to drive through the city to get to my destination, or even to get to the autobahn, shifting at no more than 2,200 rpm barely touching the throttle etc. Once i see 50c on the oil, i slowly start shifting below 3,000 rpm (still babying the throttle).

When i am in a hurry, i shift faster but always keep the rpms to my liking.

The car uses 5w30 so it is thinner than the 0w40 once 50c is reached. the 1 series gauges starts at 70c mine starts at 50c. The R does have 1 external oil cooler but it is a 2018 model so maybe they have installed a higher thermostat to allow the oil to heat up asap.
Zombie Head, welcome. Nice to see someone with mechanical empathy that takes care of their machine. I'm very similar and take care of my machine too. We just traded in our MkV GTI or a MK7. in the US, the proletariat model (non R) GTI uses 5W-40. I find it interesting that your higher performance model runs 5W-30.

Also, what makes yours a Mk 7.5? Is that because it's a facelifted Mk7? Is that an official designation or yours? If so that would make my 2017 at 7.0...correct?

Thank you.
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      01-16-2018, 07:36 AM   #13
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Zombie Head, welcome. Nice to see someone with mechanical empathy that takes care of their machine. I'm very similar and take care of my machine too. We just traded in our MkV GTI or a MK7. in the US, the proletariat model (non R) GTI uses 5W-40. I find it interesting that your higher performance model runs 5W-30.

Also, what makes yours a Mk 7.5? Is that because it's a facelifted Mk7? Is that an official designation or yours? If so that would make my 2017 at 7.0...correct?

Thank you.
Thank you, i always took car of our cars, my mother hated me for it. I remember back in 1996 when we picked up a brand new E36 328is and how she was just starting it and driving it "normally". Some hard accelerations here and there when cold, i kept bombarding her to take it easy till it gets warmed up, she never listened but i tried nevertheless.

About the Golf, i actually started the order in April 2017, a couple of week later the dealership called and asked me to come in and respec the car since they are already taking orders for the 2018 (MK7.5) model.

I was expecting a 0w-40 oil weight as well, since the majority of German cars run that oil, with some exceptions. Personally i do not like 5w30, we get -18c winters where i am and 35-40c summers. In heavy traffic last summer and not even reaching above 3K rpms i saw the engine oil touching 112c. I heard from some other owners that the R touched 130c on the track in Nordschleife (stock car).

MK7.5 is facelifted front and new LED tail lights behind, new side skirts as well. Interior is all digital (optional) and the 7 speed DCT is available (mine is a stick as it should be) engine is bumped up from 300hp to 310 (i guess 296hp for the US is the MK7 and 306 or so for the MK7.5). That is the official designation for my current car yes, oh and the MK7.5 also has a bigger touch screen standard which is also an indication of the MK7.5.

As for oil temps on the public roads, i guess it depends on the season. It used to take 5 minutes to see 50c on my R in summer, now it takes double if not a bit more, i guess it is normal if you have the stock cooler and no lower oil t-stat installed. Take a slightly longer route if you are not in a hurry or late.
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I've noticed my 1M takes considerably longer for the oil to get up to operating temps. Usually about 20 minutes or so. Seems to take a little longer with the FMIC, but maybe that's just my imagination, because I can't imagine it would make any difference.
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I've noticed my 1M takes considerably longer for the oil to get up to operating temps. Usually about 20 minutes or so. Seems to take a little longer with the FMIC, but maybe that's just my imagination, because I can't imagine it would make any difference.
A bigger intercooler will actually warm up the engine faster. More power = more heat.
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Zombie Head, welcome. Nice to see someone with mechanical empathy that takes care of their machine. I'm very similar and take care of my machine too. We just traded in our MkV GTI or a MK7. in the US, the proletariat model (non R) GTI uses 5W-40. I find it interesting that your higher performance model runs 5W-30.

Also, what makes yours a Mk 7.5? Is that because it's a facelifted Mk7? Is that an official designation or yours? If so that would make my 2017 at 7.0...correct?

Thank you.
Thank you, i always took car of our cars, my mother hated me for it. I remember back in 1996 when we picked up a brand new E36 328is and how she was just starting it and driving it "normally". Some hard accelerations here and there when cold, i kept bombarding her to take it easy till it gets warmed up, she never listened but i tried nevertheless.

About the Golf, i actually started the order in April 2017, a couple of week later the dealership called and asked me to come in and respec the car since they are already taking orders for the 2018 (MK7.5) model.

I was expecting a 0w-40 oil weight as well, since the majority of German cars run that oil, with some exceptions. Personally i do not like 5w30, we get -18c winters where i am and 35-40c summers. In heavy traffic last summer and not even reaching above 3K rpms i saw the engine oil touching 112c. I heard from some other owners that the R touched 130c on the track in Nordschleife (stock car).

MK7.5 is facelifted front and new LED tail lights behind, new side skirts as well. Interior is all digital (optional) and the 7 speed DCT is available (mine is a stick as it should be) engine is bumped up from 300hp to 310 (i guess 296hp for the US is the MK7 and 306 or so for the MK7.5). That is the official designation for my current car yes, oh and the MK7.5 also has a bigger touch screen standard which is also an indication of the MK7.5.

As for oil temps on the public roads, i guess it depends on the season. It used to take 5 minutes to see 50c on my R in summer, now it takes double if not a bit more, i guess it is normal if you have the stock cooler and no lower oil t-stat installed. Take a slightly longer route if you are not in a hurry or late.
Interesting as I thought the horsepower and torque figures for the golf r were identical to the 2017 model, which I have. I must say, however, I believe dsg is ideal for this car. Agree to disagree and either way, a fantastic car.
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Interesting as I thought the horsepower and torque figures for the golf r were identical to the 2017 model, which I have. I must say, however, I believe dsg is ideal for this car. Agree to disagree and either way, a fantastic car.
The car was returned to the dealership on the 29th and i do not miss it one bit. After test driving that 125i i can surely tell you, something is wrong with the golf's clutch and transmission system. Regardless since VW in Wolfsburg did not care about investigating the issue, the car has been returned to them and a headache is gone.
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Interesting as I thought the horsepower and torque figures for the golf r were identical to the 2017 model, which I have. I must say, however, I believe dsg is ideal for this car. Agree to disagree and either way, a fantastic car.
The car was returned to the dealership on the 29th and i do not miss it one bit. After test driving that 125i i can surely tell you, something is wrong with the golf's clutch and transmission system. Regardless since VW in Wolfsburg did not care about investigating the issue, the car has been returned to them and a headache is gone.
Sorry to hear that. At least your headache is over with.
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I was told to spend a bit close to 5 minutes at idle strictly because the oil takes way longer to warm while driving due to the oil cooler. But most of the time I used this modified routine:
a) Start car and idle about 2-3 minutes
b) Roll in 1st gear, no gas, to get out of the shared parkade
c) Stay below 3K rpm before shifting, but just about 2K rpm after shifting, try to stay below 50Kmh (30mph) and slowly accelerate if there is no traffic

Usually by about 13-14 minutes after starting, oil will be about 75-80c will should good enough for normal or even slightly aggressive driving. I don't really have the luxury to extend some of my trips to be longer than 20 minutes every time I start the car from cold though. Idling for 5 minutes to me is a bit excessive waste of gas
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I was told to spend a bit close to 5 minutes at idle strictly because the oil takes way longer to warm while driving due to the oil cooler. But most of the time I used this modified routine:
a) Start car and idle about 2-3 minutes
b) Roll in 1st gear, no gas, to get out of the shared parkade
c) Stay below 3K rpm before shifting, but just about 2K rpm after shifting, try to stay below 50Kmh (30mph) and slowly accelerate if there is no traffic

Usually by about 13-14 minutes after starting, oil will be about 75-80c will should good enough for normal or even slightly aggressive driving. I don't really have the luxury to extend some of my trips to be longer than 20 minutes every time I start the car from cold though. Idling for 5 minutes to me is a bit excessive waste of gas
It's *not* a good practice to warm the car by letting it idle for an extended time. In fact, I can't think of a single compelling reason to do so. Keep the revs down and stay out of boost and you'll be just fine.
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I was told to spend a bit close to 5 minutes at idle strictly because the oil takes way longer to warm while driving due to the oil cooler. But most of the time I used this modified routine...
There should be a thermostat in the oil filter housing that blocks off flow to the oil cooler until the oil reaches higher temperatures. Warm up should be faster during driving than idling thanks to higher loads.

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It's *not* a good practice to warm the car by letting it idle for an extended time. In fact, I can't think of a single compelling reason to do so. Keep the revs down and stay out of boost and you'll be just fine.
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It's *not* a good practice to warm the car by letting it idle for an extended time. In fact, I can't think of a single compelling reason to do so. Keep the revs down and stay out of boost and you'll be just fine.
How low would you consider the revs to be low enough? Lugging the engine below 2K at higher gear isn't good, but in order to stay around 2K after a shift you practically have to get up to about 3K rpm. Also for those of us not equipped with a boost gauge, what guide line works?

I wasn't sure there was actually a thermostat for the oil cooler but it generally takes a good 14-15 minutes to get the oil temp above 80C, and to drive that long I pretty much have to be around 40-60Kmh or else I get booted off the road
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