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      12-14-2021, 12:58 PM   #1
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Saw that video.
They're selling it for $30K? I'm not sure if that was accurate information from the guy on the video.
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I don't know about this one but I drove 1m on the track in bmw performance school.
By far 1M is one of the most fun cars BMW have ever made. Such tail happy and fun toy to have.
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Saw that video.
They're selling it for $30K? I'm not sure if that was accurate information from the guy on the video.
Original cars are what, 60-80k?+ no way 30k, I say.

I can just say its nice someone tried to do these swaps. Me personally id keep the I6 and go for a cool exhaust. But of course many swaps have very spot on roots to them, original engine being toast etc. So all the M-Power to them!
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Original cars are what, 60-80k?+ no way 30k, I say.

I can just say its nice someone tried to do these swaps. Me personally id keep the I6 and go for a cool exhaust. But of course many swaps have very spot on roots to them, original engine being toast etc. So all the M-Power to them!
I would say this isn't feasible based on my experience to this point. Labor alone would cost 10-15k+ depending how you approach it + 1M + S65 Drivetrain.

S65 manual no EDC would be the lowest cost, least painful, route.
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
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Original cars are what, 60-80k?+ no way 30k, I say.

I can just say its nice someone tried to do these swaps. Me personally id keep the I6 and go for a cool exhaust. But of course many swaps have very spot on roots to them, original engine being toast etc. So all the M-Power to them!
I would say this isn't feasible based on my experience to this point. Labor alone would cost 10-15k+ depending how you approach it + 1M + S65 Drivetrain.

S65 manual no EDC would be the lowest cost, least painful, route.
I think the number is way under but I believe they're using the standard 1 series as the base and adding the 1m parts on top instead of starting with the full 1m. Would be closer to 30 but still prolly half of the actual
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
Definitely don't call it a CSL but you may be surprised that the S65 V8 is only 15kg / 33lbs heavier than the N54 inline 6 twin turbo.
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
Lol except the s65 is lighter than the n54 with all its accessories
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
Definitely don't call it a CSL but you may be surprised that the S65 V8 is only 15kg / 33lbs heavier than the N54 inline 6 twin turbo.
Don't forget all the accessories needed for the n54.. intercooler, turbos, charge pipe, excess plumbing…
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Definitely don't call it a CSL but you may be surprised that the S65 V8 is only 15kg / 33lbs heavier than the N54 inline 6 twin turbo.
Actually surprised about that (S65 at 202 kg, n54 at 187kg)

E46 M3 CSL weighs 1285kg, stock M3 1460kg

If around 200kg weight savings is what makes a CSL, I really don't see these savings on this 1M, out of place badge

Cool car nonetheless
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
Except you can get a smaller V8 that weighs the same as an I6 with turbos. Adding turbos isn't a weight reduction. I4 would be a different story.

Personally loved seeing Corvette going NA V8 and Porsche expanding on their B6 4.0 offerings.

Does BMW even make a NA engine for the US?
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Original cars are what, 60-80k?+ no way 30k, I say.

I can just say its nice someone tried to do these swaps. Me personally id keep the I6 and go for a cool exhaust. But of course many swaps have very spot on roots to them, original engine being toast etc. So all the M-Power to them!
I would say this isn't feasible based on my experience to this point. Labor alone would cost 10-15k+ depending how you approach it + 1M + S65 Drivetrain.

S65 manual no EDC would be the lowest cost, least painful, route.
I think the number is way under but I believe they're using the standard 1 series as the base and adding the 1m parts on top instead of starting with the full 1m. Would be closer to 30 but still prolly half of the actual
It's wayyy above 30k.

Making a clone is actually extremely expensive in todays terms. All the oem parts have become very expensive and some aren't in the US anymore unless you pay some of the ridiculous fees they are putting on parts to ship them in.

Base car (no accidents 5-10k?) depending what you wanted to start with
OEM parts for a full 1m conversion you are around 10-15k now
Labor to convert and paint 15-25k (you might think this is high but I just made my own clone and had close to 225+ hours of my own labor and I did 90% of the work) any decent shop is probably minimum 100/hr.)
Then comes the S65 and supporting items. That will depend on the motor condition but probably 8-12k. Plus labor for the swap and custom work required.

To make this in todays costs you will be north of 50k by the time you are done. (If paying someone to do it, can save a lot of you do the labor but just the cost of parts is getting fairly high)


*I just did my 135 to 1M conversion a few months ago with all oem parts and it was pretty costly but I didn't pay any labor as I did everything myself with minor help from my father. Just the cost of car and parts would surprise a lot of people.
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This is a great project but for the love of god, don't call it CSL

There's nothing lightweight about throwing a V8 in the front of a 1 series
Except you can get a smaller V8 that weighs the same as an I6 with turbos. Adding turbos isn't a weight reduction. I4 would be a different story.

Personally loved seeing Corvette going NA V8 and Porsche expanding on their B6 4.0 offerings.

Does BMW even make a NA engine for the US?
I believe (I could be wrong) that the S65 was the last NA motor BMW used in any car, in any market.
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Original cars are what, 60-80k?+ no way 30k, I say.

I can just say its nice someone tried to do these swaps. Me personally id keep the I6 and go for a cool exhaust. But of course many swaps have very spot on roots to them, original engine being toast etc. So all the M-Power to them!
I would say this isn't feasible based on my experience to this point. Labor alone would cost 10-15k+ depending how you approach it + 1M + S65 Drivetrain.

S65 manual no EDC would be the lowest cost, least painful, route.
I think the number is way under but I believe they're using the standard 1 series as the base and adding the 1m parts on top instead of starting with the full 1m. Would be closer to 30 but still prolly half of the actual
It's wayyy above 30k.

Making a clone is actually extremely expensive in todays terms. All the oem parts have become very expensive and some aren't in the US anymore unless you pay some of the ridiculous fees they are putting on parts to ship them in.

Base car (no accidents 5-10k?) depending what you wanted to start with
OEM parts for a full 1m conversion you are around 10-15k now
Labor to convert and paint 15-25k (you might think this is high but I just made my own clone and had close to 225+ hours of my own labor and I did 90% of the work) any decent shop is probably minimum 100/hr.)
Then comes the S65 and supporting items. That will depend on the motor condition but probably 8-12k. Plus labor for the swap and custom work required.

To make this in todays costs you will be north of 50k by the time you are done. (If paying someone to do it, can save a lot of you do the labor but just the cost of parts is getting fairly high)


*I just did my 135 to 1M conversion a few months ago with all oem parts and it was pretty costly but I didn't pay any labor as I did everything myself with minor help from my father. Just the cost of car and parts would surprise a lot of people.
I considered the 135 to 1M conversion for a very long time but when I started crunching the numbers the total final cost really deflated my interest. For the same price you can go for a Wide body M240i with an LSD or straight up an M2, which in many ways are the more modern iteration of the 1M. Not as great but a lot more reliable!

How did you do the rear fender flares? Fiberglass or metal welding?
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I believe (I could be wrong) that the S65 was the last NA motor BMW used in any car, in any market.
The 730i F01/02 continued to 2015, the X1 18i also went until 2015.
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We've been involved with tuning/programming six or seven of these S65 swapped 1Ms, they are awesome! Should have come with an S65 from the factory

This has me thinking.. since we have an 4.4L Stoker motor sitting around.. that would be a lot of fun in a 1 series or Z4 chassis.
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