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04-26-2007, 03:28 PM | #1 |
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The 1 series fuel efficiency
I'm curious to see how fuel effiicient the 1 series will be. It would only make sense that the car should be more efficient that the 3,5, and so on. Here is an interesting bit I got from C&D magazine.
"Talk about having it all: style, luxury, comfort, performance, and, yes, fuel economy. Despite a published highway fuel-consumption figure of 30 mpg, several C/D staffers have done better than that in mixed driving, and we aren’t pussy-footin’ types. The secret is BMW’s new, light, and efficient 3.0-liter inline-six, boasting a magnesium-and-aluminum block and Valvetronic variable valve lift and producing 230 horsepower and 200 lb-ft of torque. The 328i is about as plush as a base model can get, a virtuosic handler, and scampers to 60 mph in a claimed 6.2 seconds. Just as enjoyably, you can thumb your nose at your do-gooder neighbors because the car is ULEV II certified for emissions and gets better fuel mileage than the vast majority of mid-size sedans." My thoughts is that the base car should pull at LEAST 25mpg city and over 33highway. I understand many of the variants in Europe are doing over 40mpg but that isnt going to happen in North America for obvious reasons. |
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I believe your MPG guess will be close. We will likely not see any other engine variant for the introductory 1er model. However, with Toyota, VW, DaimlerChysler, and Honda all positioning themselves with an on slot of diesels models entering our US market within the next couple of years to compete against the hybrids, I see BMW following suit. It would be nice to get a 1er coup diesel that gets in the 40+++ mpg range. I drive the heck out of my cars, about 30,000 miles a year. This would be the perfect world for me, BMW quality with exceptional mpg. Diesels have come a long ways.
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04-26-2007, 05:13 PM | #3 |
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The 125d is definitely what I am waiting for (with M-Package). I've been waiting for the 1er since the end of 2004. I can certainly wait till the anticipated diesel arrives!! |
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05-06-2007, 04:49 PM | #5 |
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I desperately want the diesel, but I don't think we're ever getting it.
With the I6 like they'll be sending I think you are about right. My 2003 325i is getting between 25-26 in regular driving, and 28-29 on trips (with a heavy right foot). In city driving it is probably in the low 20s. The 1 series is probably a little lighter so I'd guess 24-25 city, 32-34 highway, and upper 20s to 30 in everyday driving. As much power as that engine gives you, it really is quite efficient. |
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05-07-2007, 05:39 PM | #8 |
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I guess we don't really know much at all at this point :mad: . My strategy would be to make the top engine the mythical N53 w/ HPI, putting out somewhere around 280HP, then use a 230-240HP version of the N52 as the base.
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125i 230 hp 130i 280 hp But not till 2009, or 2010 Just my $0.02 I believe I have already stated what I'm looking for :wink: |
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05-07-2007, 07:00 PM | #10 |
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I'm sorry but this car needs to debut with a BANG....meaning the twin-turbo. Yes I would be satisfied with the 260hp, but come on. Introducing a 1 series in the U.S. is VERY risky as it is. Make us a 128i and a 135i. Put a 5-6k price difference in between them and call it a day. Oh yes, and offer a diesel somewhere down the road. There is no room to half-ass this car. NONE whatsoever, because they would be risking a brand dilution, and a sales flop.
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05-07-2007, 09:21 PM | #11 | |
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But of course I know that's simply not going to happen. BMW is most likely to use the same engine lineup as the 3. That will make a lot of the paperwork easier for them as well. |
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05-08-2007, 09:06 AM | #15 | |
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I gotta disagree with you there Spin. By implication your saying that BMW half-assed the 3 and the 5 series since there base engines are that 230hp. Lets say they only brought the 1series in the form of 130i and 135i. That would mean that there lowest series, has a more potent base engine. That wouldnt make much sense. By half-assing, i meant them not giving us engines the rest of the current BMW line-up uses. If you think about it, the current 328i produces the same performance numbers as the 130i hatchback even though it has 30hp less. Go figure. |
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in the interest of fuel efficiency why doesn't bmw go to an ALL TURBO line-up(excepting M cars)? maybe something along these lines:
1 series:base 2.0ltr. 4 cyl. 220hp., optional 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp. 3 series:base 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp., optional 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp. 5 series:base 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp., optional 3.6ltr. v8 400hp. |
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2.0 non turbo, 180 hp 2.0 turbo, 220 hp 3.0 non trubo, 280 hp 3.0 trubo, 330 hp One less engine. |
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But I did not mean that 128i-135i would be worse than 125i-130i for the future of the 1 series. I agree the former is a better choice. And I know there is a zero chance of getting 130i-135i lineup with the 3 and 5 series lineup being what they are. I was just ranting, as I constantly will until they give me my N53 130i.:mad: |
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05-15-2007, 02:53 PM | #21 |
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I've always thought a 135i would truly be a niche car. There are a lot of good choices for $40K+ and, as good as it may be, a 135i would be a risky proposition just as the model line gets out of the gate.
Were I making the line-up, I'd have 200hp (123i) and 260hp (130i) versions for the 1-series, and then an M1 (with either a TT or NA i6) at around 340hp. That way there's a car for everyone (123i), a car for the everyday performance dogs, like me (and most of the enthusiast on this site, I'd suggest), and a halo car for the true performance freaks, affluent 30-something stock brokers and weekend racers (M1). |
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05-15-2007, 08:46 PM | #22 | |
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Now you CAN still get the 260HP valvetronic engine in an X3, so there is still a little hope left for me. |
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