[BLACK335iCOUPE]

I gotta steptronic with paddles and I could use some advice on how to peel out better. My friend has a 2001 M3 manual. Whenever we do rolling starts from 20 or 50 I always win. However, due to the advantage from a clutch, when we start from a stop he always gets a big head start because I virtually start from zero rpm. This is also the same reason I can't seem to do burnouts. I know there has to be a loophole here because I've heard automatic 335i's post even faster 0-60 times than the 6 speeds. Any suggestions or tips on how to attain better starts will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

PS - this is all done on his PRIVATE street.

[BMW Jet]

Originally Posted by BLACK335iCOUPE

I gotta steptronic with paddles and I could use some advice on how to peel out better. My friend has a 2001 M3 manual. Whenever we do rolling starts from 20 or 50 I always win. However, due to the advantage from a clutch, when we start from a stop he always gets a big head start because I virtually start from zero rpm. This is also the same reason I can't seem to do burnouts. I know there has to be a loophole here because I've heard automatic 335i's post even faster 0-60 times than the 6 speeds. Any suggestions or tips on how to attain better starts will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

PS - this is all done on his PRIVATE street.

Try pushing the DTS button once before starting off. It will let the tires spin out.

[Krozi]

Left foot on the brake, right foot on the gas. With the brake pressed, rev up the engine a little. When you want to go, release the brake and punch the gas. Using this technique you don't waste time moving your foot from brake to gas.

Although break torquing the engine isn't very good for the transmission. You don't have to rev the engine up though, you can just do the same procedure with the engine at idle...

[VTECaddict]

DTC, DS mode, and brake torque. Though as the poster above said, brake torquing is really hard on the transmission.

[33five]

slicks

[mike-y]

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

[ciomas]

Originally Posted by mike-y

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

Isntt that lethal for the transmission?

[The Cleaner]

Originally Posted by mike-y

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

WOW a netral drop, It's been some time since I saw that recommended.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by mike-y

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

Oh dear lord no...

Lol. Fist Pumping FTW!

[runrider]

I always assumed you would do better with DSC on (normal mode), because the 'friction coefficient' between the rubber and the road is higher/better when the tires are not slipping. Just like how you stop faster with ABS, instead of letting the wheels skid.

I would really like to see a DTC vs NO DTC race on a strip.

[3pnt4maro]

Originally Posted by mike-y

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

and watch as you destroy your transmission....yeehaww

Do not do a neautral drop!!..anyone who knows anything about cars knows that this is deadly for the tranny...torque brake it to the desired rpm...2500 or so and when its go time hit the gas, but be careful as too much throttle may cause the tires to spin...and even though you may think it looks cool, if the tires are spinning your not getting traction...you want the tires as close to that breaking point as possible without them breaking loose...hope that helps

oh and take the traction control off

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by runrider

I always assumed you would do better with DSC on (normal mode), because the 'friction coefficient' between the rubber and the road is higher/better when the tires are not slipping. Just like how you stop faster with ABS, instead of letting the wheels skid.

I would really like to see a DTC vs NO DTC race on a strip.

The car is quicker with DTC off. At frist I figured that it was just in my head so I let my friend drive my car. I had him drive with all the stability control options on. Then I held the DTC button till it shut everything off and let him take another run. He said that there was a decent difference in acceleration with the DTC off.

[mike-y]

man you guys are a bunch of pansies

[runrider]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

The car is quicker with DTC off. At frist I figured that it was just in my head so I let my friend drive my car. I had him drive with all the stability control options on. Then I held the DTC button till it shut everything off and let him take another run. He said that there was a decent difference in acceleration with the DTC off.

If its your OWN car... what do YOU think?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by runrider

If its your OWN car... what do YOU think?

I can tell for a fact it is. Just wanted someone else to drive to make sure it's not just a placebo effect.

[runrider]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

I can tell for a fact it is. Just wanted someone else to drive to make sure it's not just a placebo effect.

ok cool.

I still would really like to see some drag strip numbers on this though...

I'm going to start a new thread to poll the peanut gallery, to see if anyone has actually tried it.

[Noc57]

If you require max acceleration from a stop, engage DTC mode, command 1st gear with the paddle shifters, rev to 3000 rpm with your foot on the brake, release the brakes and then mat the throttle.

Once you're off, slap the shifter into DS mode before 1st hits redline and hang on.

[jt335i]

Originally Posted by mike-y

1. DTC
2. move gear selector to nuetral
3. rev engine to 4500 rpm
4. throw gear selector to D
5. Pump your fist out the window and yell yeeeeeehawww.

LOL! That brings back memories of my teenage days in the mid 1980s.
I remember a buddy of mine who did that with his new 1986 Chevy IROC-Z.
He had to replace the tranny. Then, a couple of months later it got totalled in a wreck. He wasn't driving it when it got in the wreck, but he had an internal injury in his abdomen that my pops had to perform an operation. Saved his life.

[Gart]

Originally Posted by runrider

I always assumed you would do better with DSC on (normal mode), because the 'friction coefficient' between the rubber and the road is higher/better when the tires are not slipping. Just like how you stop faster with ABS, instead of letting the wheels skid.

I would really like to see a DTC vs NO DTC race on a strip.

My two cents worth: If you left DSC in normal mode and there was any wheel spin, the computer will cut engine power to eliminate the spin.

With it off, you would at least be able to keep the engine rev's where you want them to be to hopefully get the power to the pavement.

[fdriller9]

I don't think our cars allow us to rev it up in neutral and then drop it in D. The car senses the high RPMs and waits for them to drop before engaging the transmission. OP, besides brake torquing, you're SOL. An aggressive tune will help though.

[flip4335]

Originally Posted by BLACK335iCOUPE

I know there has to be a loophole here because I've heard automatic 335i's post even faster 0-60 times than the 6 speeds. Any suggestions or tips on how to attain better starts will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

PS - this is all done on his PRIVATE street.

Install an LSD, clutch, Torsen, Quaife or Wavetrac automatic torque biasing diff. That will put the power to the pavement. Turn off the nanny controls, do what everyone else says, and walk your buddy's M3.

Check to make sure you have decent grip tires so you won''t lose the grip and let 'er rip.

[BMW Jet]

Don't forget to report back how you nailed him lol :d