04-21-2011, 09:42 PM | #45 |
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how can the 1m outperform all caymans except for the cayman r?
if cs = m3 ('ring times) and m3 > 1m then the cs > 1m and if the cr > cs then the cr > 1m automatically. |
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04-21-2011, 09:46 PM | #46 |
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This is why I have a Cayman S and a 135i. Personally I think the Cayman S feels much better in the twisties. It just feels better.
Of course I love my 135 too. It's low end power feels great. It all depends on my mood and where I'm going. |
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04-21-2011, 09:57 PM | #47 |
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I have Boxster and a 135. They are both amazing cars but I agree with johnsnit that the Cayman / Boxster feel much better in the twisties. You are much lower to the ground in Cayman / Boxster and the steering and handling of the Porsche feel more connected to the road. The 135 is amazing with the explosion of power and more comfortable ride and better cabin.
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04-21-2011, 10:01 PM | #48 |
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IMO, its all about the feel of a car. I remember a couple of years ago car and driver or a similar magazine said a M coupe was a better car at 10/10's driving but the Caymen S was the better all around car and daily driver for all situations. This is probably why the 1M is winning and the Caymen R isn't. Its just entirely impratical for everyday driving. I mean you have a tether for a door handle... Do you want to deal with things like that everyday? No and BMW M cars are more for everyday driving with occasional track use rather than a dedicated "drive it like I stole it" track/weekend car. M reserves those cars for the CSL type variants.
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04-21-2011, 10:51 PM | #51 |
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If I was you I would not be too disappointed and that is coming from one of the biggest fans of GT-R. Its a car that I would love to own. But even I can't deny the fact that the car does not have the fit or finish of much cheaper 50K plus M3. The M3 is much more luxurious interior wise, refined, better fit and finish, not to mention comes with stronger and better warranty and maintenance.
The GT-R is out right better performance machine and technological AWD marvel. I think if speed is your only motive then you should have gotten a GT-R and not an M3.
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04-21-2011, 10:52 PM | #52 |
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Just checked the ring times for the cayman S and its 8:16, a little slower than the 8:12 for 1M, so I'm not surprised that the cayman R is only marginally better. I think it's an unfair comparison based on the number of seats and curb weight, stacked in the favor of the cayman, and still the cayman is only marginally faster. I think the appropriate comparison will be with a 1M vs 997 coupe - both four seaters and much closer in weight, even though the price difference is huge. And perhaps a procede 1M vs a 997 C2S!
To those comparing the 135 vs boxster/cayman, the 135 is a different car. I have test driven it and it does sit too high and rolls way too much (almost as much my 335xi which doesn't even have a sport suspension). I drove an E46 M3 convertible the same day I drove a 135 and the M3 was miles better in terms of handling and grip. And it was a heavy convertible! The 1M is supposed to be better then the E46M3 so it will be miles ahead of a 135 (one with stock suspension anyway) so I wouldn't prejudge an 1M based on how a stock 135 drives.
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http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/pors...elift_pdk.html This site says the time is 8:06.00. Who is right, who is wrong, who knows.
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04-22-2011, 01:46 AM | #56 | |
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You right...must be compared with same class car....but to know that is close fast as 1 porsche cayman R made me happy....Bmw M team made a real god job.... |
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04-22-2011, 01:48 AM | #57 |
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It's also a taste thingy. If i am honest, i would rather buy a bmw 1m instead of a Porsche Cayman S/R. The Cayman is pretty ugly.
And the GT-R is fast, yes. But i don't like it either. Just my 2 cents. |
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But if I can't lean out of the car and touch the ground, it still doesn't count
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04-22-2011, 07:58 AM | #64 |
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Wow, I'm surprised. 1M is killing it in the reviews.
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04-22-2011, 07:59 AM | #65 |
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If lap time is so important to some ppl, why aren't they driving Ariel Atoms? I heard those are really good commuter cars and pleasant to drive in traffic.
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04-22-2011, 08:55 AM | #66 | |
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Simple : 1M has got 4 seats, a radio, a real trunk, low-end torque which is great for daily driving, smaller engine (less tax and better MPG). It's obviously not a sleeper, but less in-your-face than a Cayman. Why do you all keep thinking that people buy the fastest 0-60 MPH car that their budget can buy ? Cayman R is track car. 1M is a daily driver that can be used on the track as well, and it will perform pretty well for a pretty good price. Now stop the hating. |
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