Help me choose a meth kit!

chicagob5 · 09-18-2011, 08:46 PM

Hey guys,

I hate to bring this up but im really torn about choosing a methanol kit for my 335i.

At first i really wanted a Snow Performance stage 3 kit because it looked so complete, after some research it turns out there are better kits out there than the SP. Also, the SP kit is pump speed driven which i hear is worse and that makes sense.

I was thinking about the vishnu PWM kit but im not so sure, it will cost me almost 400$ more than the SP kit.

Any suggestions guys?

chrisw335i · 09-18-2011, 09:03 PM

u run tune?

chicagob5 · 09-18-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisw335i

u run tune?

im stock, but ill be running PROcede or COBB stage 2

sear · 09-18-2011, 09:11 PM

Just like any other purchase selection, what matters most is figuring out what traits are most important to you and figuring out what options at what price give you what you are looking for.

That said, I would highly recomend vishnu's PWM kit. you can search and see a bunch of reviews on it now, but its very smooth in power delivery and the difference in power feel was as good as adding the tune over stock.

Although to some, the fact that it locks you to the V5 is a bad thing. For me, knowing that several components were purpose developed to work together and tested is of big value for me. Good luck with whatever path you decide...

Adam Way · 09-18-2011, 09:30 PM

I agree with Sear. I have the Aquamist that is supposedly designed for BMW and it has been nothing but problems.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 09-18-2011, 09:30 PM

You can get a JB4 and a WW underhood integrated meth kit for under $1000.

chicagob5 · 09-18-2011, 09:34 PM

wow,

thats a very impressive dyno chart

theriz · 09-18-2011, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You can get a JB4 and a WW underhood integrated meth kit for under $1000.

+1

woodga16 · 09-18-2011, 09:56 PM

^+2

sear · 09-18-2011, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You can get a JB4 and a WW underhood integrated meth kit for under $1000.

I'm guessing the dyno and the engine bay are not a pair?? Looks like an N55 engine bay, but an N54 dyno. Nice numbers on the dyno BTW...

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 09-18-2011, 10:10 PM

When done correct any kit will yield you the same power..... Its up to what features you want in your meth kit that will determine which you want to purchase. Have it be ease of install, creature comforts, part throttle drivability ETC ETC

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 09-19-2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sear

I'm guessing the dyno and the engine bay are not a pair?? Looks like an N55 engine bay, but an N54 dyno. Nice numbers on the dyno BTW...

Right, photo is of the same kit on an N55. The dyno is a comparison of tune+meth only vs. full bolt ons vs. fult bolts ons + meth. Interesting to see how much stronger the tune+meth only car is compared to just bolt ons.

Mike

chicagob5 · 09-19-2011, 08:16 AM

These BMS and Vishnu meth kits are getting real good reviews, to me they seemed so incomplete compared to other kits such as the SP stage 3 or aquamist but they seem to work really well..

CALWATERBOY · 09-19-2011, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Way

I agree with Sear. I have the Aquamist that is supposedly designed for BMW and it has been nothing but problems.

What problems?

CALWATERBOY · 09-19-2011, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicagob5

These BMS and Vishnu meth kits are getting real good reviews, to me they seemed so incomplete compared to other kits such as the SP stage 3 or aquamist but they seem to work really well..

Can you give links to reviews?
______

Edit: Scratch! Have Googled sufficient.
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messi · 09-19-2011, 09:20 AM

Get a kit that has the ability to integrate seamlessly with your tune ie. that will always be adjusting depending on operating conditions. I had a CM kit on a FBO evo x with upgraded turbo, cams etc pushing 400whp and the CMGS kit always gave me issues and they are really hard to configure and the parameters for spray patterns etc were pretty static.. i had a lot of issues with a jammed flow sensor, injectors etc..

CALWATERBOY · 09-19-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by messi

Get a kit that has the ability to integrate seamlessly with your tune ie. that will always be adjusting depending on operating conditions. I had a CM kit on a FBO evo x with upgraded turbo, cams etc pushing 400whp and the CMGS kit always gave me issues and they are really hard to configure and the parameters for spray patterns etc were pretty static.. i had a lot of issues with a jammed flow sensor, injectors etc..

Exactly right - it's an individual, custom tune if not integrated with hardware. Word I'm getting on BMS's kit for JB4 is a no-problem install; sa-mooth power. Hooks into the chip. Looking into an install.

How'd the flow sensor jam - plugged or mechanical malfunction?

You meth people....do you find much less fluid use in cold months?
.

Syndicategt · 09-19-2011, 01:31 PM

Aquamist HSF-3.....a PWM kit you can use it with any tune. It's been tried and tested with many other platforms and has proven to be one of the best.

I was the 1st to run it on the N54 and has been going strong for 2 years now.

3coupe · 09-19-2011, 01:54 PM

how does cooling mist systems work with procede?

do they work well?

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 09-19-2011, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Exactly right - it's an individual, custom tune if not integrated with hardware. Word I'm getting on BMS's kit for JB4 is a no-problem install; sa-mooth power. Hooks into the chip. Looking into an install.

How'd the flow sensor jam - plugged or mechanical malfunction?

You meth people....do you find much less fluid use in cold months?
.

The new BMS FSB WW kit does not use a traditional flow sensor, as it uses the FSB to monitor flow.

Mike

messi · 09-19-2011, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Exactly right - it's an individual, custom tune if not integrated with hardware. Word I'm getting on BMS's kit for JB4 is a no-problem install; sa-mooth power. Hooks into the chip. Looking into an install.

How'd the flow sensor jam - plugged or mechanical malfunction?

You meth people....do you find much less fluid use in cold months?
.

I livein the tropics bro so its 90-100f temps all year round. It just frigging giving me bad problems.. flow readings were inaccurate in that it was flowing and the meter wasnt lighting up.. dont get me wrong.. i bought it bc it had a boost guage and flow meter in one so that was cool.. but you basically do a flash tune with a sorta static spray pattern.. i aint no techie and certainly no tuner.. only speaking from experience..

bahn stormer · 09-19-2011, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Aquamist HSF-3.....a PWM kit you can use it with any tune. It's been tried and tested with many other platforms and has proven to be one of the best.

I was the 1st to run it on the N54 and has been going strong for 2 years now.

How different is your kit from the Vishnu PWM?

I am curious... if there ever came a day that I decided to switch tunes, how hard would it be to modify the Vishnu PWM kit so I don't have to start over with a new meth kit? I don't have any specific plans to switch tunes but this would provide piece of mind to me before spending money on the Vishnu kit.

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sear Lieutenant 18 Rep 462 Posts Drives: 2007 335xi Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Colorado Springs iTrader: (0)	Just like any other purchase selection, what matters most is figuring out what traits are most important to you and figuring out what options at what price give you what you are looking for. That said, I would highly recomend vishnu's PWM kit. you can search and see a bunch of reviews on it now, but its very smooth in power delivery and the difference in power feel was as good as adding the tune over stock. Although to some, the fact that it locks you to the V5 is a bad thing. For me, knowing that several components were purpose developed to work together and tested is of big value for me. Good luck with whatever path you decide...
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chicagob5 Lieutenant 257 Rep 446 Posts Drives: E90 ZCP Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	These BMS and Vishnu meth kits are getting real good reviews, to me they seemed so incomplete compared to other kits such as the SP stage 3 or aquamist but they seem to work really well..
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Syndicategt Brigadier General 153 Rep 3,730 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nor Cal iTrader: (11)	Aquamist HSF-3.....a PWM kit you can use it with any tune. It's been tried and tested with many other platforms and has proven to be one of the best. I was the 1st to run it on the N54 and has been going strong for 2 years now. __________________ 2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines / Last edited by Syndicategt; 09-19-2011 at 01:37 PM..
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