You Meth people....gimme a frickin' clue!

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 01:28 AM

Would you say your ride runs:

(a) Smoother

(b) About the same

(c) Rougher

Options refer to smoothness, not trq/hp....

Which tune are you running?

Your ride a Daily Driver?

EastBayE90 · 09-29-2011, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Would you say your ride runs:

(a) Smoother

(b) About the same

(c) Rougher

Options refer to smoothness, not trq/hp....

Which tune are you running?

Your ride a Daily Driver?

Not even debatable it runs much much smoother. Due to higher octane and cooling effect the engine is running at much higher thermal efficiency. The engine becomes butter smooth when meth starts to spray.

Vishnu Procede PWM meth kit. FTW!

It is my daily driver and I commute over 50 miles a day.

SIKH335 · 09-29-2011, 02:23 AM

Smoother for sure. Running Vishnu V5 Rev2.5 FBO with Vishnu PWM Meth. Fully tuned. The engine is Happy and sounds and feels happy.

Daily driver over 100 miles a day.

Chadd · 09-29-2011, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Would you say your ride runs:

(a) Smoother

(b) About the same

(c) Rougher

Options refer to smoothness, not trq/hp....

Which tune are you running?

Your ride a Daily Driver?

Fast, smooth, linear acceleration.
WOT with meth is neck jerking fun.

JB4 map3 ww kit on my daily driver

longliven54 · 09-29-2011, 07:12 AM

Super smooth operation. About 70 miles travel everyday
Using jb4, with snow perf stage 3
Sad part: I wish I had moved onto meth sooner!

Alessandro · 09-29-2011, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadd

Fast, smooth, linear acceleration.
WOT with meth is neck jerking fun.

JB4 map3 ww kit on my daily driver

+1

Ilma · 09-29-2011, 09:21 AM

Yup.....

Engine feels and sounds much happier on meth.

Intake and oil temps stay stable and do not rise at all even with the higher power levels on daily driving scenarios.

Syndicategt · 09-29-2011, 10:03 AM

V5 Rev 2.5 with an Aquamist HSF-3 x2 1.0mm jets. (other mods in profile)

Daily driver (45 miles a day) and weekend HPDE track star

I usually don't spray on my drive to work, unless on the way home and I need some adrenaline. She pulls extremely hard and smooth, especially at high RPM. 18 PSI on stock turbos will pin you against your seat and she'll chirp 3rd gear! I'll get back later next week when the upgraded turbo's are fully up and running. The car never heat soaked when it was 100 our....now with these morning temps in the 50's, I feel like I'm driving a NA torque monster (I forgot what it's like to drive when cool out).

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 10:12 AM

Wow - impressive effect, unanimous response!

Expect: Cooler running = lower emissions

But: Tune = higher emissions

So....do you find tune + meth complies w/EPA & State requirements? Especially you California drivers....recently a speeder was fined for altering emission controls on his Acura for better performance....big time....

Syndicategt · 09-29-2011, 10:14 AM

^ If I cared about low emissions I'd drive a Nissan Leaf. So save a tree and eat a beaver

OpenFlash · 09-29-2011, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

V5 Rev 2.5 with an Aquamist HSF-3 x2 1.0mm jets. (other mods in profile)

Daily driver (45 miles a day) and weekend HPDE track star

I usually don't spray on my drive to work, unless on the way home and I need some adrenaline. She pulls extremely hard and smooth, especially at high RPM. 18 PSI on stock turbos will pin you against your seat and she'll chirp 3rd gear! I'll get back later next week when the upgraded turbo's are fully up and running. The car never heat soaked when it was 100 our....now with these morning temps in the 50's, I feel like I'm driving a NA torque monster (I forgot what it's like to drive when cool out).

Let me know when you get those turbos installed. Got some things that you may want to try.

OpenFlash · 09-29-2011, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Wow - impressive effect, unanimous response!

Expect: Cooler running = lower emissions

But: Tune = higher emissions

So....do you find tune + meth complies w/EPA & State requirements? Especially you California drivers....recently a speeder was fined for altering emission controls on his Acura for better performance....big time....

Overall fuel consumption goes down when running methanol injection vs gasoline only. With no meth, you get higher IATs and lower effective octane. Both which result in lower ignition advance which gives you much higher fuel consumption. Probably much higher CO and NOx output as well.

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

^ If I cared about low emissions I'd drive a Nissan Leaf. So save a tree and eat a beaver

Reverting to pass-through mode is delightfully easy from the driver's seat, generally. Due to unpleasant attention re: out of compliance op, makes using a tune much better.

But if we see better emissions, meth or just plain water inj is a major plus!

No worries....I'm sold....

Diesel mfg's injecting urea. How come gas engines not coming w/water inj? Come to think, water inj for diesel?

hamburglar · 09-29-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

Reverting to pass-through mode is delightfully easy from the driver's seat, generally. Due to unpleasant attention re: out of compliance op, makes using a tune much better.

But if we see better emissions, meth or just plain water inj is a major plus!

No worries....I'm sold....

Diesel mfg's injecting urea. How come gas engines not coming w/water inj? Come to think, water inj for diesel?

Urea isn't for combating detonation or for cooling like gasoline, it's to make the diesel burn cleaner if memory serves. Since water can't be compressed and it doesn't combust, it wouldn't be a good idea to just have water (add to that the concerns with rust or too much water making its way into the chamber and causing rod failure) but the meth/water combo is spot on

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hamburglar

Urea isn't for combating detonation or for cooling like gasoline, it's to make the diesel burn cleaner if memory serves. Since water can't be compressed and it doesn't combust, it wouldn't be a good idea to just have water (add to that the concerns with rust or too much water making its way into the chamber and causing rod failure) but the meth/water combo is spot on

Used to be, water/meth used a corrosion inhibitor. Water's intended to absorb heat of vaporization, cooling incoming air for higher density and lowering temps in the combustion chamber, thus lowering oxides of nitrogen etc.

Also, water in the liquid phase entering the combustion chamber vaporizes on fuel combustion to create grin inducing torque.

Fuel economy. Lower emissions per lb fuel burned. Cheap. Reliable / not very complex. Automobile mfg's & Fed, what's not to like?

Intriguing: Condense exhaust water vapor to supply water injection. Much better than EGR? Should be a no-brainer - water injected engines output more water than they inject!

Heat o'vaporization: Under-utilized.
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lamia2super · 09-29-2011, 01:39 PM

You want to feel how your will drive with meth go buy some race gas

Longboarder · 09-29-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

Smoother for sure. Running Vishnu V5 Rev2.5 FBO with Vishnu PWM Meth. Fully tuned. The engine is Happy and sounds and feels happy.

Daily driver over 100 miles a day.

+ 1 but i drive about 40 miles a day.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 09-29-2011, 01:46 PM

Def runs smoother.

Also the new PROCEDE 2.5/3 V5 is that much smoother and still just as powerful if not more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamia2super

You want to feel how your will drive with meth go buy some race gas

Except even better cause there is virtually no heat soak

rader1 · 09-29-2011, 01:51 PM

Urea injection causes a chemical reaction that reduces emmisions(CO2 IIRC)

The reason meth isnt used by manufacturers is because its a hassle for the end user. You cant base what a OEM should due based on what the members of the forum want, we represent the 1% of the buyers that places performance above almost everything. I mean, if the average jackass drove a FBO tuned N54 they would complain to the dealer about the loud exhaust, the smell and the car jerking them back violently when accelerating. Not only that, but they would have to refill the meth resevoir which is too much work for most BMW owners...

OpenFlash · 09-29-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Def runs smoother.

Also the new PROCEDE 2.5/3 V5 is that much smoother and still just as powerful if not more.

Except even better cause there is virtually no heat soak

+1. Meth provides much greater gains than racegas due to cooling effects. Heatsoak is still an issue with racegas. Not with meth.

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rader1

....would have to refill the meth reservoir which is too much work for most BMW owners...

No worse than fueling up. Gotta wonder if Meth/Water's fuel economy might make room in the fuel tank area for a Meth/Water tank.

If so....hey....

When was it Renault & Ferrari were using race fuel w/micro-drops of water entrained?

CALWATERBOY · 09-29-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

+1. Meth provides much greater gains than racegas due to cooling effects. Heatsoak is still an issue with racegas. Not with meth.

Still no data found, water vs. water/meth....Shiv, do you have info?

Power, please. Recognize need for anti-freeze in cool temps.

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CALWATERBOY Major 146 Rep 1,160 Posts Drives: 2009 E93 N54 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	You Meth people....gimme a frickin' clue! Would you say your ride runs: (a) Smoother (b) About the same (c) Rougher Options refer to smoothness, not trq/hp.... Which tune are you running? Your ride a Daily Driver?
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SIKH335 Banned 29 Rep 968 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Coupe Join Date: May 2011 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (6) Garage List 2007 E92 335i [1.00]	Smoother for sure. Running Vishnu V5 Rev2.5 FBO with Vishnu PWM Meth. Fully tuned. The engine is Happy and sounds and feels happy. Daily driver over 100 miles a day.
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longliven54 Lieutenant 14 Rep 455 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e90 auto Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: victoria iTrader: (6)	Super smooth operation. About 70 miles travel everyday Using jb4, with snow perf stage 3 Sad part: I wish I had moved onto meth sooner! __________________ JB4 G5 / VRSF IC / STETT CAI / GREDDY / custom exhaust / iRotora cross drilled rotots / snow stage 3 meth / 19" iForged senekas / upgraded speakers n CF woofer box / M3 bits/ DINAN camber plates/ KONI/ megan racing toe arm/ supreme power lowering perch
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Ilma Colonel 184 Rep 2,841 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mississauga iTrader: (0)	Yup..... Engine feels and sounds much happier on meth. Intake and oil temps stay stable and do not rise at all even with the higher power levels on daily driving scenarios.
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Syndicategt Brigadier General 153 Rep 3,730 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nor Cal iTrader: (11)	V5 Rev 2.5 with an Aquamist HSF-3 x2 1.0mm jets. (other mods in profile) Daily driver (45 miles a day) and weekend HPDE track star I usually don't spray on my drive to work, unless on the way home and I need some adrenaline. She pulls extremely hard and smooth, especially at high RPM. 18 PSI on stock turbos will pin you against your seat and she'll chirp 3rd gear! I'll get back later next week when the upgraded turbo's are fully up and running. The car never heat soaked when it was 100 our....now with these morning temps in the 50's, I feel like I'm driving a NA torque monster (I forgot what it's like to drive when cool out). __________________ 2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines /
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CALWATERBOY Major 146 Rep 1,160 Posts Drives: 2009 E93 N54 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (0)	Wow - impressive effect, unanimous response! Expect: Cooler running = lower emissions But: Tune = higher emissions So....do you find tune + meth complies w/EPA & State requirements? Especially you California drivers....recently a speeder was fined for altering emission controls on his Acura for better performance....big time....
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Syndicategt Brigadier General 153 Rep 3,730 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Nor Cal iTrader: (11)	^ If I cared about low emissions I'd drive a Nissan Leaf. So save a tree and eat a beaver __________________ 2008 BMW 335i e90 - Sold - Rob Beck Turbos / PROcede V5 / Aquamist HFS-4 / AR Downpipes / AE Exhaust / ER Comp FMIC / ER CP / TiAL BOV / Custom Intake / RPI Scoops / Quaife LSD / Swift-Koni Coilovers / DSS HS / Morr VS8.2 Sig Black / Michelin PSS / P3 Boost Guage / M3 body / M3 steering wheel / Adam's Rotors / Hawk HPS / SS lines /
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rader1 Banned 70 Rep 2,197 Posts Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA iTrader: (0)	Urea injection causes a chemical reaction that reduces emmisions(CO2 IIRC) The reason meth isnt used by manufacturers is because its a hassle for the end user. You cant base what a OEM should due based on what the members of the forum want, we represent the 1% of the buyers that places performance above almost everything. I mean, if the average jackass drove a FBO tuned N54 they would complain to the dealer about the loud exhaust, the smell and the car jerking them back violently when accelerating. Not only that, but they would have to refill the meth resevoir which is too much work for most BMW owners... Last edited by rader1; 09-29-2011 at 01:56 PM..
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