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      09-13-2011, 02:04 PM   #23
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So after looking at this again it was created on virtual dyno. Get it on cobbs dyno asap
Yeah i want to see real dyno numbers.


They really have taken way to long for this stage 2 file...
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      09-13-2011, 02:31 PM   #24
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Once I see Cobb Stage 2 cars trapping about 115mph on pump 93 gas, I might start looking at it. Don't really care for virtual dyno numbers...
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      09-13-2011, 02:39 PM   #25
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Once I see Cobb Stage 2 cars trapping about 115mph on pump 93 gas, I might start looking at it. Don't really care for virtual dyno numbers...
This.

Should totally be possible if stock you can trap 104mph.
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      09-13-2011, 02:55 PM   #26
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Remember people this is still a beta tune, this review/preview or virtual dyno is by Clap135 not COBB. Believe it or not this virtual dyno has come pretty close to the real thing.
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      09-13-2011, 04:48 PM   #27
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IMHO an FMIC is just as important as turboback especially in a stage 2 tune. If you think about how hot that charge air is gonna be at a 15-18psi (speculating) stage 2 tune and the fact that the stock IC is designed to be efficient at 8.8psi. You might be pushing 18psi on the stage two tune, but the thing about turbo's is it's not just about psi it's about air density and we all know cooler air is denser. That's why with all things equal an upgraded turbo can make equal power @ say 12psi to a stock turbo @ 16psi.
FMIC is more important than midpipe and axleback section combined.

FMIC + Catless DPs > Catless DPs + Catless Midpipes + Axleback/Muffler.

Anyone beg to differ?
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      09-13-2011, 04:53 PM   #28
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FMIC is more important than midpipe and axleback section combined.

FMIC + Catless DPs > Catless DPs + Catless Midpipes + Axleback/Muffler.

Anyone beg to differ?
Me!

Yeah right lol. FMIC really helps out quite a bit especially when running higher boost. My stock FMIC was getting heatsoaked in no time with just a JB4 and catless downpipes. I had no choice but to upgrade it and it made all the difference in daily drivability.

I still stand that I will just wait until I see some trap speeds. I don't even care about ET as that is all driver, but trap speed at the end of the 1/4 is a good indicator of how much power the car is putting down and its consistent (although it may differ 1-2mph depending on the 60ft).
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      09-13-2011, 05:20 PM   #29
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Reading comp>You


He said Catless DPs are greater than TBE.


And a Virtual Boy Dyno has been known to put down some crazy accurate numbers. Sometimes, depending on who's running the software, makes the read low.



And what dyno were those 1M numbers on? Graph please!
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      09-13-2011, 05:28 PM   #30
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2 things ,first Cobb told me it requires Fbo with 93 OCT!..second ,I though that the jb4 makes 400 whp or over on 93 OCT I'm I wrong??
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      09-13-2011, 05:33 PM   #31
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IIRC, the JB4 only makes over 400WHP with meth.
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      09-13-2011, 05:45 PM   #32
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2 things ,first Cobb told me it requires Fbo with 93 OCT!..second ,I though that the jb4 makes 400 whp or over on 93 OCT I'm I wrong??
What is Fbo? Fixed based operator or Facebook
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      09-13-2011, 05:48 PM   #33
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Full Bolt-Ons.

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      09-13-2011, 05:51 PM   #34
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2 things ,first Cobb told me it requires Fbo with 93 OCT!..second ,I though that the jb4 makes 400 whp or over on 93 OCT I'm I wrong??
JB4 will make over 400whp on race gas or meth. I made 370whp on pump 93 with just a Helix intercooler, Raceland downpipes and JB4 on map 2 in hot ass Florida weather.
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      09-13-2011, 06:38 PM   #35
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If the virtual dyno is so accurate then why using the same profile and weight does it tell me I'm making anywhere from 361whp to 470whp and almost 500wtq depending on which log I load, all same gear and parameters logged?
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      09-13-2011, 06:41 PM   #36
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JB4 will make over 400whp on race gas or meth. I made 370whp on pump 93 with just a Helix intercooler, Raceland downpipes and JB4 on map 2 in hot ass Florida weather.
I think your power seems low , I heard Fbo with dci and 3 inch downpipes With full catless makes 400 whp??I saw some dynos doing this on YouTube and burger website..I think it makes over 430 with race and meth.
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If the virtual dyno is so accurate then why using the same profile and weight does it tell me I'm making anywhere from 361whp to 470whp and almost 500wtq depending on which log I load, all same gear and parameters logged?
What kind of virtual dyno are you using?


I know for most open-source tuning for the Subaru-Mitsu community, a lot of tuners use the Virtual Boy. And from what I've seen VS. actual dyno numbers, it's pretty accurate. I guess there are a lot more factors to enter?
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      09-13-2011, 07:08 PM   #38
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The one from this thread which is from bradbarnhill.com

I know there are others and they do seem to work well, I've just seen wildky varying results from this one
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      09-13-2011, 08:44 PM   #39
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I'm impressed with the data I see with regards to intercooler upgrades.

Give this a careful read:
http://cp-e.com/sites/default/files/files/n54FMIC.pdf

Turbo charge outlet temperatures start to shoot up past 14psi and especially at higher RPM. The turbos really add a lot of heat in those conditions. It's already kinda ugly at 12 psi.

Our motors already like to fall off in power at higher RPM. Lots of top end to be picked up there. I hope the FMIC is part of stage 2.
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      09-13-2011, 11:04 PM   #40
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What am I missing with the 180 load thing?

We taper boost past 5k due to the baby turbo guys. Pushing it hard up there is like spitting water though a straw. The exahust manifold pressure peaks at 45-55psi past 5.5k RPM when trying to run 18psi out there. The data says the turbos are out of air and will self descruct if you keep pushing it. Not something we want for a pump stage 2 or stage 2 + FMIC map. Stock turbos will run 18psi all day long in the lower RPM range.

Here is a run down of the maps Clap has:
Stage 2 - Requires downpipes with a recomendation for a intake and catback (especially the 135i and 535i)
Stage 2+FMIC - Requires downpipes and a FMIC with a heavy recomendation for a intake and catback (especially the 135i and 535i)

Each of these will come in the following flavors:
"Drive" as in a nice daily driver map for those that just want a little bump in power with stock rev limits.
"Sport" as in a sporty map with a bit more power than "Drive".
"Aggressive" as in a map that turns the car into a fire breathing hotrod (Recommended 93 Octane).

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      09-14-2011, 12:10 AM   #41
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alll i can say damit n55 do something for the n55
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      09-14-2011, 01:44 AM   #42
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It's whp considering the normal 10% drivetrain loss it's about 430-440 crank or 100 more than the 1M. Please educate yourself a bit before criticizing a product.
I was not criticizing. Not everyone on the internet is 13 years old & sarcastic buddy
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      09-14-2011, 06:40 AM   #43
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I think your power seems low , I heard Fbo with dci and 3 inch downpipes With full catless makes 400 whp??I saw some dynos doing this on YouTube and burger website..I think it makes over 430 with race and meth.
370-380whp on a dynojet is typical for a bolt on car depending on conditions. Show me one plot on pump gas making over 400whp on a dynojet and I'll give you a cookie. Hell, you can even browse the dyno compilation on e90post.com and see for yourself. You won't crack the 400whp with a jb4 or procede unless you run race gas or meth.
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      09-14-2011, 06:23 PM   #44
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alll i can say damit n55 do something for the n55
x 1000 fuck this is so lonngggg, we are thousand waiting to dump money on a DIY reflash solution and nobody want our friggin money.
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