Where are the big single turbo conversions?

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by sparoz

If I am willing to fund a development project for upgrade turbos on RHD cars, how many people would consider it? How much are people willing to pay? Similar to RB pricing? My preference is a TT still, but will do what the market wants.

RB pricing would be too low i'd say? ($3k odd?), it all depends on turbo selection, design, what it's going to achieve

it's a pretty limited market in general.

[Ænema]

It's been a good read.
So, to sum it up: A Haltech box acting as a isoloated boost controller + a DME flash(more than likely Dimsport tuning software based) + very well fabricated hardware = still some issues that need addressing before it can perform as advertised.

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by sparoz

If I am willing to fund a development project for upgrade turbos on RHD cars, how many people would consider it? How much are people willing to pay? Similar to RB pricing? My preference is a TT still, but will do what the market wants.

To be honest Steve I would be quite content with a nicely tuned N54 with RB's for a DD at 500whp. I feel as though anything beyond this reduces the daily pleasures of this car. But each to there own.

My car made 296rwkw and I was pretty happy until I removed all the mods and drove it stock and it was so much more enjoyable. Only problem was it was bloody slow.

[jippii ensio]

Flinchy, you seem to appreciate all the hard work of Adrian and Shiv to get all the records and pushing the N54 platform to be as great as it is today. You say their achievements are so great, that they are hard to replicate. However, you have some negativity within, which hinders you to fully enjoy their achievements. If you'd get rid of that connotation, you, Adrian, N54 enthusiasts - all of us would get the positive energy to work on our cars and our jobs towards even greater achievements! As a starting point the turbos, manifolds, engine management systems, suspensions...are all available for anyone. So, we can build on those, (or some other hardware). So, as great as these guys' records are, let's, however, aim to beat them one day

Cheers!

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Flinchy, you seem to appreciate all the hard work of Adrian and Shiv to get all the records and pushing the N54 platform to be as great as it is today. You say their achievements are so great, that they are hard to replicate. However, you have some negativity within, which hinders you to fully enjoy their achievements. If you'd get rid of that connotation, you, Adrian, N54 enthusiasts - all of us would get the positive energy to work on our cars and our jobs towards even greater achievements! As a starting point the turbos, manifolds, engine management systems, suspensions...are all available for anyone. So, we can build on those, (or some other hardware). So, as great as these guys' records are, let's, however, aim to beat them one day

Cheers!

No, i'm saying that even THEY cannot replicate their own work on a customer car

Heck, i didn't really say most of that.. Dzenno making 554rwhp and 63x tq on rb's was much much more impressive to me. Showed what headwork and slight cr lowering does for gains. Much better than changing to a single.

The reasons for my negativity are thoroughly explained in this thread.

Don't worry, already the aim.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

No, i'm saying that even THEY cannot replicate their own work on a customer car

Heck, i didn't really say most of that.. Dzenno making 554rwhp and 63x tq on rb's was much much more impressive to me. Showed what headwork and slight cr lowering does for gains. Much better than changing to a single.

The reasons for my negativity are thoroughly explained in this thread.

Don't worry, already the aim.

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

[Kirst]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

just my two cents but,

If the can only replicate it on shop cars to date, why would anybody bother buying it??

Seems common sense really

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

Not so far

As far as i'm aware the shop car has a LOT of unreleased/proto stuff they use as advertisement for their sales

[///Chase]

Sorry Flinchy - Your grammar hurts my head.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by ///Chase

Sorry Flinchy - Your grammar hurts my head.

There's nothing wrong with it?

Just read over it and all.

[///Chase]

Originally Posted by flinchy

If i have facts, and i can show these facts, and cite multiple sources, i therefore know what i am talking about... which i have done, in this thread. i mean, i shouldn't have to because most of it is well known and obvious, but apparently i have to for some people..... you have not cited one single source or fact, everything you have posted has come off the top of your head.. and that's okay, because you know everything possible N54 related.

What.

[Meijo]

The rambling on in this thread is just too FRIGGEN FUNNY.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Not so far

As far as i'm aware the shop car has a LOT of unreleased/proto stuff they use as advertisement for their sales

Since you double check everything so that you post only the truth, please list all of these: "A LOT of unreleased/proto stuff".

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by BMWlady

just my two cents but,

If the can only replicate it on shop cars to date, why would anybody bother buying it??

Seems common sense really

I'd guess the engine of the shop car is old and tired and they can replicate and better their stuff in ANY car. There is nothing specific in the shop car other than its huge mileage of very hard driving.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by JB4135

To be honest Steve I would be quite content with a nicely tuned N54 with RB's for a DD at 500whp. I feel as though anything beyond this reduces the daily pleasures of this car. But each to there own.

My car made 296rwkw and I was pretty happy until I removed all the mods and drove it stock and it was so much more enjoyable. Only problem was it was bloody slow.

You do have some very good points .

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Since you double check everything so that you post only the truth, please list all of these: "A LOT of unreleased/proto stuff".

Ask adrian maybe?

They had the fuel pump long before release (obviously), likely have something in testing that's a further upgrade..

They inadvertently fixed the misfire by already having an smfw

Of course they have unreleased tunes in test

Who knows what else besides possibly adrian...

It's pretty obvious that the development car is going to have things customer cars aren't, it's a development car.. Think for yourself for a minute? Some logic?

I mean.. It's like saying it didn't have the higher versions of procede before the public, or even the ST kit itself..

If it didn't have unreleased stuff, the stuff they have already released.. Well.. Wouldn't exist!

Even back before lpfp upgrades and when it was running rb's with more power than most people, it was using TONS of meth through huge nozzles.. Took a long time to learn that, shiv is very tight lipped to the public.


This is even more of a waste of time than arguing with adrian, at least some of his points were valid.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Ask adrian maybe?

They had the fuel pump long before release (obviously), likely have something in testing that's a further upgrade..

They inadvertently fixed the misfire by already having an smfw

Of course they have unreleased tunes in test

Who knows what else besides possibly adrian...

It's pretty obvious that the development car is going to have things customer cars aren't, it's a development car.. Think for yourself for a minute? Some logic?

I mean.. It's like saying it didn't have the higher versions of procede before the public, or even the ST kit itself..

If it didn't have unreleased stuff, the stuff they have already released.. Well.. Wouldn't exist!

Even back before lpfp upgrades and when it was running rb's with more power than most people, it was using TONS of meth through huge nozzles.. Took a long time to learn that, shiv is very tight lipped to the public.

Ah, you don't know and you were just speculating. You post some speculation from the internet and fill in the gaps by posting your own even more biased speculation.

[Kirst]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

I'd guess the engine of the shop car is old and tired and they can replicate and better their stuff in ANY car. There is nothing specific in the shop car other than its huge mileage of very hard driving.

Apparently some people are trying to start arguments here, each to their own opinion

[510135]

This thread is consuming you flinchy. You need to give it a rest mate! You had some valid points, so did Adrian! I'm sure BMWLADY has had enough of you researching! Go hang out with her bro!

[Kirst]

Originally Posted by 510135

This thread is consuming you flinchy. You need to give it a rest mate! You had some valid points, so did Adrian! I'm sure BMWLADY has had enough of you researching! Go hang out with her bro!

LOL shhh
I was going along fine until one of you figured it out

[PeteA]

Originally Posted by JB4135

To be honest Steve I would be quite content with a nicely tuned N54 with RB's for a DD at 500whp. I feel as though anything beyond this reduces the daily pleasures of this car. But each to there own.

My car made 296rwkw and I was pretty happy until I removed all the mods and drove it stock and it was so much more enjoyable. Only problem was it was bloody slow.

I think too much power corrupts. It's so much fun when you can go flat through a corner and be right on the edge of the physical limits of the drive train / grip. I love how many tunes let you flip between power levels on the fly. To me, that's worth its weight in gold and I'll definitely chase that type of setup when I'm ready to choose my own tune.

There's a RB turbo 135i video on youtube I spotted a while ago. No race numbers, but it sounds loud as heck. Probably full cat delete + downpipes etc.

[CaptainInsano]

Hello my 1 series brethren.

Just want to get some facts in about dynos and such. (No I don't have 1/4 mile times, car is still getting wide body)

Shiv isn't the dyno queen anymore (at least he hasn't released the dynos showing he is).

First it was FBIS(654):
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651949
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706091

Then it was me(657):
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=735215

And now it's Melissa(659):
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782823

Took me about 2 seconds to find those. Of course, they would read lower on the Aussie dynos. I'm running about 30whp less around town since I don't daily drive on race gas (CA 91oct )

Anyways, to sum up 9 pages of cockmacgyvering:
1) There are high horsepower dynos of customer singles, they are easy to find.
2) The 6AT are having shifting problems. They suck.
3) The 6MT misfires have been solved. Holding up well.
4) There are only two singles that have gone to run the 1/4 (that I know of). Both were 6MT. One was Shiv, who has short gearing and got a phenomenal launch and ran 10.8@131. The other is GeorgiaTech335Coupe, who ran a 12.0 at 124.89 and you can read about a few pages back.
5) The only 60-130 times are from Shiv, who's best times were 6.46s with -1.5% slope and 6.51s with 0.00% slope. Many people disregard anything Shiv does because hes a dirty little cheater and must be tampering with his VBOX.
6) There are no other single kits for sale yet, however the current progress is very promising.

Take it or leave it.
-Pete