IS350 driver gets so self-conscious when he sees E90

[ABR]

[QUOTE=peakpro
Why do BMW have to beat their chests at every opportunity.[/QUOTE]

Because we are bunch of prixs!

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

But it was clear indication of showing how Lexus was stepping up in luxury sport sedan class.
IS300 even beat few e46s in magazine reviews(price was a big factor).

Many were still questioning the IS300. but now that they know well about the IS300, new IS is doing well. January sales of 2001(first when it came out) for IS was 1,475 units(and this wasn't bad at all. Lexus overall sales, were up 13.3%, best ever at the time). January sales of 2006 for IS is standing at 4,073, thats 276% increase.

What does this tell you? Lexus IS300 set enough background and good image to the market at the time, and now the new IS is kicking ass.

The new IS isn't quite the same car the old one was. It doesn't have the same flaws (interior, exterior styling mainly), true, but it's also lost much of the first generation car's charm. Though some cross-shopping does occur (I've been cross-shopping them), I still think Infiniti's G represents a bigger threat to BMW than Lexus' new car does.

Though the second gen model has much more mainstream appeal than the older car, I think Lexus is actually selling the IS to Lexus buyers...people who might otherwise choose an ES or GS, or a C-class. Even the salesman confessed this fact.

[alpinewhite3]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

The new IS isn't quite the same car the old one was. It doesn't have the same flaws (interior, exterior styling mainly), true, but it's also lost much of the first generation car's charm. Though some cross-shopping does occur (I've been cross-shopping them), I still think Infiniti's G represents a bigger threat to BMW than Lexus' new car does.

Totally agree ^ drove IS350, G35, and 330i.
G35 is the closest any car has gotten to
the overall bmw feel.

Anyway, I never said anything about the IS350
not being a great car. I was just refferring to this
ONE IS owner's behavior and to me it really seemed
like he was trying to impress me because I could
have bought the IS350 but chose the 330i instead.
I mean I can understand with the 3 series being the
benchmark and winning every comparo test if I chose
the IS i'd probably try to show off it's power, esp. if
I saw a 330i. And I think the only reason I would be doing
that was because I was self conscious.

[ChineseGuy]

IS owners are probably jealous that their car got beaten in almost every comparing tests. It's pretty funny if u go to IS forums and see their reasons for buying the IS350 other than the 330i to be specific......and their excuses on those comparing tests. But the most common excuse was.....IS350 IS FASTER!!~.......IS350 HAS QUICKER ACCELERATION!!~.......

I beleive reading off of some magazine...said that the 330i beat the IS350 in a racing track...which includes CORNERS and CURVES.....i guess IS's SPEED and QUICK ACCELERATION didn't rreally do much in those corners.....

so frustrating after looking at those comments from IS people

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

The new IS isn't quite the same car the old one was. It doesn't have the same flaws (interior, exterior styling mainly), true, but it's also lost much of the first generation car's charm.

Of course, it BETTER be different. As for flaws, well again, it better be improved. If new model has same problems as old ones(this is for any cars though), its an obvious indication that the manufacturer was careless. As for styling, to each on your own. There are people out there who swears that IS300 was the best looking lexus ever built. And you know what, I agree with that to some extent.

IS must keep go through revolutions until it reaches the point where it starts setting "benchmarks" like the 3 series. This was their second turning point, and quite frankly, I think they did pretty good. Though, the new IS350 feels like its over done to me. Lexus did understand being defensive all the times isn't the best idea, so they tackled this one hard, but still couldn't reach the expectations. but they came pretty damn close.

Though some cross-shopping does occur (I've been cross-shopping them), I still think Infiniti's G represents a bigger threat to BMW than Lexus' new car does.

We'll see about that when new G35/G35C comes out. While G35C is my second favorite car(1st being the bmw of course), and I seriously hesistated between the two, it still lacks ALOT of the stuff that the bmw has. In athletic point of view though, I think its the closest out of all the competitions out there. I don't want to go into too much details, knowing what kind of guy you are, Im sure you know what Im talking about.

Though the second gen model has much more mainstream appeal than the older car, I think Lexus is actually selling the IS to Lexus buyers...people who might otherwise choose an ES or GS, or a C-class. Even the salesman confessed this fact.

Agree. But I have to say, when sales jump 270%, there has to be considerable number of buyers who were looking for Infiniti/BMW/Mercedes/Acura/etc went to lexus instead. I doubt people who has enough money to get a nicely loaded GS would get the IS. If you browse my.IS forum, you'll be surprised how many are new-coming lexus buyers. Just like how we have lots of first-bmw customers in this forum. E90 sure attracted lots of buyers too. Including myself.


Oh well. IS, whatever. #2 is always a #2. No.1 is the only one who gets gold. Gold > Silver. Simple as that.

[alpinewhite3]

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

IS owners are probably jealous that their car got beaten in almost every comparing tests. It's pretty funny if u go to IS forums and see their reasons for buying the IS350 other than the 330i to be specific......and their excuses on those comparing tests. But the most common excuse was.....IS350 IS FASTER!!~.......IS350 HAS QUICKER ACCELERATION!!~.......

I beleive reading off of some magazine...said that the 330i beat the IS350 in a racing track...which includes CORNERS and CURVES.....i guess IS's SPEED and QUICK ACCELERATION didn't rreally do much in those corners.....

so frustrating after looking at those comments from IS people

I hear ya, but don't let it get to you. I forget who said it, but i read somewhere on this board, "when you have gold, why would you want to compare it to silver" which is exactly why if i were driving and i happen to come across an IS350, I wouldn't try to "show off" by turning left at 60 mph. I would just think nice car, w/e end of story. I wouldnt have to prove anything to the other driver, like that guy was trying to.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

I beleive reading off of some magazine...said that the 330i beat the IS350 in a racing track...which includes CORNERS and CURVES.....i guess IS's SPEED and QUICK ACCELERATION didn't rreally do much in those corners.....

"You don't have to be that fast through the corners if you can make up for it in the straights."

That's an old adage an instructor of mine frequently used. Point being: never dismiss the potential of a powerful car in the right hands.

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by agent0986

I hear ya, but don't let it get to you. I forget who said it, but i read somewhere on this board, "when you have gold, why would you want to compare it to silver" which is exactly why if i were driving and i happen to come across an IS350, I wouldn't try to "show off" but turning left at 60 mph. I would just think nice car, w/e end of story. I wouldnt have to prove anything to the other driver, like that guy was trying to.

HAha......never seen any IS350 did that to me...hehe.....but most of the IS drivers in my area are from my friends....so i don't think they will do that to me.....

[THE JEDI]

Yeah because they know they bought the third best

[Armen52]

That color looks like an Arctic wannabe to me. Poor thing doesn't hold a candle

And the childish posts on this thread don't bode well for the future of our board.

Non-E90 owners, do not come on this board and try to bash our cars. We don't care. We like our car, you like yours, have a nice day.

[eleven24]

I test drove the IS350 before buying my 330. Granted, I've had two previous 3's in the last 8 years, but the new IS design is much improved.

The IS350 is a very fun car to drive. It's extremely quick and very VERY silky. The comfort & electronics (Nav, audio, etc) inside the car are much better than the 3-series. One really nice feature was the air-cooled seats - something that would be great in the summer/warm weather.

For me though, it came down to driving. While the IS had tons of power, it really is a car controlling the driver, not a driver controlled car. All feel of the road is eliminated & the car really exhibits body roll in the turns. It is a great car, but my preference is how a 3 drives. I certainly don't look down on IS drivers - they just have a difference preference.

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by eleven24

I test drove the IS350 before buying my 330. Granted, I've had two previous 3's in the last 8 years, but the new IS design is much improved.

The IS350 is a very fun car to drive. It's extremely quick and very VERY silky. The comfort & electronics (Nav, audio, etc) inside the car are much better than the 3-series. One really nice feature was the air-cooled seats - something that would be great in the summer/warm weather.

For me though, it came down to driving. While the IS had tons of power, it really is a car controlling the driver, not a driver controlled car. All feel of the road is eliminated & the car really exhibits body roll in the turns. It is a great car, but my preference is how a 3 drives. I certainly don't look down on IS drivers - they just have a difference preference.

Well said...

[flush01]

i actually test drove is350 like a month ago... as usuall sales person was knocking down 330 left and right, saying how this is350 is better, so im like ok lets see... so we drive, he floors it and tells me "it has so much power, dont u feel it ? it's so fast" and im sitting and thinking that my e46 330 5 speed feels just as fast... i know it's slower, but it FEELS just as fast from 1-3 gears... overall, i didn't like the car at all, only liked gages... in my opinion is350 got nothing on 330's except more hp...

[ska///235i]

I saw the Lexus IS few times and all those times I didn't even notice is an IS, I had to look back and hunt down the "L" logo....it looks like a Civic. Civic

I'm so Glad I got a E90

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

i don't know, i, of course, prefer E90 styling over IS350's styling, but the car (IS350) as a whole is not bad at all, in my opinion.

remember that both 330i and IS350 are in about the same price bracket so if people that go for Lexus were really self-concious when they see a 330i, they would simply go for the 330i, don't you think? they wouldn't get the damn car if they really didn't like it or didn't believe it is the best to them.

i chose a BMW and don't look back, so i'm sure they feel the same way about Lexus. while they were car-shopping, they probably tried a few different cars, just like us, and they liked the new IS the best. that doesn't mean that you have to think that.

so, what i'm trying to say is that Lexus or the G35 or the A4 are not necessarily bad/ugly cars, they just don't appeal to you.

I agree. Nowadays almost anyone can drive a BMW. Remember even if the 330 is a few grand more , with lease or finance terms today it only means a few more bucks a month. The IS350 and G35 are great because it forces BMW to make a great car greater and also stop ignoring the HP issue. Bimmers used to be faster than the average car in yesteryear but know just about anyone with a Maxima or Honda can show us tail lights without tring too hard.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by billgti

my feelings too. i just don't understand why people have to start thrreads on how people are envious of your new bmw and talk about owners of other cars in a condescending way. i happen to like the IS350 and obviously the e90 as well but some of you guys have to wake up and realize that your car is not the best thing ever and that not everyone out there is as self-conscious.

Amen!

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by mundo74

The IS350 and G35 are great because it forces BMW to make a great car greater and also stop ignoring the HP issue. Bimmers used to be faster than the average car in yesteryear but know just about anyone with a Maxima or Honda can show us tail lights without tring too hard.

well said.

[BMW330Fun]

I was really on the fence between the 330 and IS350. In the end I think I went with the 330 because it is a family tradition The more I get accustomed with the car though, I am kind of disappointed with the power. In about a month the new V6 Camrys will be smoking us with their 268 HP 3.5L. Maybe I should have waited for the turbo 335, but you know dealers will be asking an arm and a leg for those.

[ben1364]

It appears that E 90s are not the only cars attractive to immature drivers. Stoplight racing is dangerous as well as foolish. Take it to the track, please!

[Hunter399]

Everytime I see an IS it just makes me proud to be driving a 3

[roppongicorolla]

Originally Posted by poldim

I liked the lex, but my I had to turn it down once I found out the 350 wasnt available with stick.

Same here. The styling also put me off, inside and out.

[BKsBimmer]

If the IS350 had an AWD option my decision would have been a lot tougher. I drove it and thought it was a pretty fantastic car. Lexus did an excellent job with it despite what you read on this site. But then this is the E90Post ... I would be very surprised to be reading about how wonderful the IS350 is here.