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Understood. I get the differences between the software only and the software with the cooling upgrades as I went with the stage 2 kit with the cooling upgrades. Also, the pictures of the parts you've linked to are the ones I took of the parts. I got a response back from my SA that he has his parts guy researching this right now. When I get a response back, I'll let everyone know. |
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This is from first hand experience, I even made a thread about this, your car will run like crap. I had horrible misfires when I put the N54 plugs in that came with the PPK2 kit. Put the stock N55 plugs in. Edit: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ighlight=plugs |
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Oh heck. I think the dealer gave me the old parts back off of my car when I had the PPK done. I'll check to see if the N54 plugs were given back uninstalled or if they used them and I got back the N55 plugs.
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Ok. Just checked. I did get back the single prong plugs. I checked the work order for the PPK2 install and I don't see a listing for new N55 plugs. So I can assume with great confidence, the N54 plugs which were sent with the kit were installed in my car. As far as misfires go and the like, I didn't experience any of that. I did notice some rattling sounds during cold idle. I'll have to fire up the car now to see if I hear the same noises.
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Thanks bro for looking out for me. Yes, I know to use the N55 plugs. "pretty positive" was my way of saying definitely YES!
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To follow up on this. My SA got back to me. He said he consulted his shop foreman and the foreman said the 582 plug (which we all know as the one called for the N55 normally) is the updated part number to the 244 plug.
I guess my next step for confirmation is to talk to Dinan being I have the S2 tune and see if they have an opinion. So I've run both plugs. The 244 plug with the PPK. And for a very short period the 244 with the S2 then ultimately the 582 plug now. My anecdotal experience so far shows no difference in operation as I haven't had any misfires or idle issues on either plug. |
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As you can see below in MightyMouseTech's thread, he had the above mentioned problems with the 244 (N54) plugs, and the problems cleared up when the correct plugs 582 (N55) plugs were installed. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ighlight=plugs |
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The poop from BMW is the plugs are good for 60K. I do read the owners manuals for my cars! As I said before, if the car starts and runs OK and the mileage is doing OK too, there isn't any need to change the plugs.
Cars need to be serviced, but they don't need to be over serviced. I have had very few problems over the year, and I drive cars that older than most of you on this forum! BTW, those plugs are nearly $25 each! $150 for 6 plugs, ouch! That'll buy me a few T-bones! |
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The poop from BMW for those of us who have the PPK is 45,000 miles is when we're supposed to have our plugs changed. So much so that my last service was covered by the factory maintenance plan...no questions asked.
If you don't believe me, here are pictures of the stickers that came with the PPK: |
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I may try to see if my buddy who is a BMW tech can find out some info on this. Or maybe the two BMW techs on this forum that I know of would care to comment. |
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You can find plugs for less than $25 each. I think I paid 12 euros each for mine the last time. Be glad you don't own a 911 Turbo... those plugs are $60 each! Quote:
HOW did you check? By the repair invoice(part number) ? I wouldn't go by that. Th eonly real way to know 100% is by pulling a spark plug. But if your car is running fine... I would not sweat it. cozmicf You have been pretty quiet... have we talked you out of replacing your plugs? I would say go ahead and change them with your friends help. Dack
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1) PPK2 kit came with 6 244 plugs. 2) Checked with my SA at the time and he said according to his resources, those are the plugs I need to run in my car with the PPK2. 3) I did not receive back any of the 244 plugs after install of the PPK2. Instead I received back the factory installed 582 plugs with the single ground electrode verified recently as I still have a box with all the removed parts from the PPK2 install. In fact, the old plugs were given back to me in the same plastic bag that held all the 244 plugs I got with the PPK2 kit. 4) The invoice for the work did not list any additional plugs charged back to me. The PPK2 kit I received did not have a rubber mount needed for the install. I was charged for this. Even though I have a good relationship with my dealer, they wouldn't just give me 6 plugs for free (nor any other dealership for that matter). The invoice was pretty specific on things I got charged for right down to the extra coolant needed. If anything were to be left off the invoice, I would think coolant would be as I'm pretty sure they buy that stuff bulk in drums. I wish I had known this would be a controversy as I would have asked my SA to at least show me the plugs they just replaced. But as you said, the car is running fine right now. I would just like to know why there are varying stories on what plug to run and different experiences on the effect of using different plugs in the N55. So far it seems that I got lucky with not having the issues you all had with the 244 plug in the N55...again assuming I'm correct that I did run the 244 plug for 40,000+ miles. |
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As a dealer tech, I can tell you, the people who often know the least about the cars is the SA. If they knew as much as the techs, they would be techs making triple the money. Honestly, I can't even listen to our advisers giving customers advice, so much misinformation. IMHO The deciding factor for me was the 135is is basically just a 135i with the PPK2 and PE. BMW specifies the single electrode plugs for that car. But if your car runs fine with the N54 plugs, then use them I guess. Just did not work for me. But I am quite sensitive to feeling misfires, that is part of my job. |
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With that said, the SA at the time was also a fellow 1'er nut. He also owned a 135i himself. He didn't speak off the cuff that yes, those plugs are what should be installed. He checked with various people at the dealership about whether the plugs are appropriate or not. It seems there's a documentation problem with BMW on what is going on here. My next step is to contact my friend who is a BMW tech and actually works at the same dealership I go to and see if he can find out anything definitive. At this point, I don't really care what plugs are in my engine. Just want to know that the ones I have in there ARE the right ones. I also agree with you about the 135is. I also did a parts look up to see the 582 plugs being called out for it. |
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I swear to God I don't know where you people get your information about spark plugs.
With my N55, came a book entitled Service and Warranty Information. On page 11 in the lower left corner it gives the replacement intervals for plugs for the various models. I'm not going to repeat the whole business, but it says for the 135i every 60K miles or every 4th oil service. Note something else that's implied by every 4th oil service. Although it isn't stated explicitly, under the protocol of the CBS, conditioned based service, a vehicle that is operated in normal way, not under any extreme conditions, could rack up 15K miles or one year of time before the computer would call for oil service. I don't know this for sure, but I'd bet the service interval is one year or 15K miles whichever comes first. I do know for sure BMW will do oil service every year regardless of miles. I don't put enough miles on to know the maximum miles within a year to trigger the service. As for plug prices, they are all over the place. An average figure seems to be a $100. |
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