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You can run around -2-to -2.2deg of camber with no adverse effects on tyre wear (assuming other parameters are set correctly). handling really benefits from the extra camber as well. Dinan camber plates and m3 control arms will get you there. |
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As for camber plates, what's involved ? Do I need to remove the top mounts and bearing (compress the spring etc) to put the camber plates on or can I just unbolt from the car, drop the suspension away from the mounting point and put the plates on. I figure that the bolts won't be long enough now with the extra thickness from the camber plate. Newbie..... ;-)
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They also come with an instruction manual, but those are overrated. I love mine, they really made the front end of the car much more effective than before.
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Question is, will they "lift" the car enough for my problem to be solved. Can you remember how thick the plates are ?
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IIRC, they were a bit under a quarter inch in thickness. Perfect for me since they stopped me slightly rubbing in my driveway.
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Thanks, probably not enough for what I need. However, after a lot of searching I found a post in another forum where someone had a similar issue and it was suggested that they loosen the pinch bolt and slip the strut out of the knuckle slightly then tighten the pinch bolt back up. I had thought of this but think it would screw up my alignment.
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the profile is a percentage of the width so dropping to a 225 will also lower the profile height (even though they're both 40 profile). |
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Ie- 235x40% = 94mm (current tire) 235x35% = 83mm 225x40% = 90mm 225x35% = 79mm I don't think 225x40 is going to be enough (4mm) so it looks like the 235x35 would give enough clearance (11mm) but not be an ideal width. 225x35 might look too small. Dunno. Food for thought. Thanks.
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Very interesting thread. I have 14k miles on my B12 kit and the low front clearance is an issue. Additionally, the ride seems to have gotten really firm. So much so that I'm considering something else maybe even going back to OEM. Do you guys have thoughts on this?
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I've been tossing up getting B8's with my stock m-sport springs, or go the B12's. If you read back on this thread, you'll see vtl (the original poster) ended up getting sick of the low clearance and went with full coilovers. My E88 on m-sport springs scrapes the front as it is; so I'm worried about going any lower... If you go to the e90 forums, you'll find people saying exactly the same thing as you - the prokit springs are too low and too harsh... I was kinda writing it off as soft 3-series owners who wish they'd got an M5 Anyway, I don't have first hand experience, but I can say you're not alone; and I'll be joining the "man, that car would look sweet if it were an inch lower, in some ways I wish I'd got those cut springs" club instead (I'm sticking with the stock m-sport springs). |
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VTL, your thread was a huge help with my B12/Dinan camber plate install -- thanks!
I was able to hit -2.2 camber up front with just the plates and stock control arms. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to echo what other posters have mentioned: the B12's Eibach Pro-Kit springs are too low. It's been about a month and springs have settled, and while I don't have issues rubbing yet, the appearance is simply too low for my taste. I installed the Dinan camber plates up front, and without that extra 5mm I'd be even more unhappy. I also think the lowered height would look extra silly on stock wheels. I don't find the ride to be harsh, so at least there's that. I'm thinking about going back to stock M-Sport springs, though I'd be losing about 28 ft/lbs in front and 100 ft/lbs of spring in the rear by going back to the 2012+ (rear) progressive spring. Anyone done this with the Bilstein B8 struts/shocks? |
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As for alternates, people have run the M-sport springs with both B8 & B6, as well as the BMW Performance springs. Those are about 10mm lower than M-sport and about 5mm higher than the B12 Eibachs. So maybe those would be a good fit for you if you find it too low. As for your stock wheels comment - one thing that makes it "look" better is a spacer, if you are running stock tire sizes a 10mm spacer front and rear (you can probably get away with a 15mm front because of your camber) will help "fill out" the wheel arches and make the car look less "dumped" ..... I will post a pic of my exact setup and you'll see it's certainly not slammed! |
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BTW, regarding B6 vs B8 for M-Sport springs, I read in another thread Bilstein directly recommended B8 to another forum user. I haven't reached out to them yet myself. ---------------------- asbrr: Good call. Ride height appearance is absolutely subjective, and glad to know yours hasn't dropped any further, but I guess I was just a fan of stock ride height. I don't think 5mm is worth the time and money for Performance springs. I mentioned the stock wheel thing because I have/had Apex EC-7 in the typical staggered setup with offsets that push out a bit more than stockers. I'd love to see yours with the spacer setup! Last edited by PseudoPsam; 08-27-2020 at 01:04 PM.. |
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Bilstein has unfortunately not been very clear on what springs pair with what and has given conflicting info over the years. I think the current consensus is that Performance Springs will work with the B8, and the M Sport Springs fall into a middle ground of either B6 or B8. |
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I'd like to try Bilstein's just to compare. The B6 - B8 question mark was only about 1/3 of why I went Koni's. Other reasons - got a very good price and I like the idea of being able to adjust. I've tweaked the fronts about 4 times (very easy to do) and the rears twice since installation.
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I just went with Bilstein B4 Sports paired with my M-Sport springs (stock on 135i) and I couldn't be any happier. Rides like what I remember it when it was new... Those of you who are thinking of refreshing the dampers for a daily driver, I'd encourage you to consider the B4's. I do not believe that they get enough love here.
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