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Haven't owned as many M cars as most on this forum. E46 / E92 / 1M and now M2 LCI with DCT.
Have to say that even thou I can't pick a favourite as they are all awesome cars in their own right and period build, that the 1M always has a special place in my heart for its absolute rawness and Free spirit. Enough said as I do miss the 1M |
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07-07-2018, 05:52 PM | #113 | |
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07-07-2018, 07:55 PM | #114 | |
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E30 325iS with short ratio MT E31 850CSi E24 M635Csi E28 M535i If the N54 came with a bigger set of turbos or they greenlighted the N55 with a larger turbo (wasn't reliability tested. Not that it was inferior), I think it'd be definitely one of the best all round M packages. When you start going down this technical path. it'd never see production. If mine goes kaput, a S55/S85 would be on the cards. Obviously if I had the money to do it |
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07-08-2018, 02:24 AM | #115 |
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We still doing this?
The 1 M was great but it was a flawed car. People just love it now becuase you can’t drive up to the showroom and get one.
As an M2 owner, I can say the new car apart from a unfinished interior trumps it but if we want bmw to build more M cars like it we really have show them that it worth in terms of sales numbers. I hope the M2 comp model is even better and that BMW continues to bring us this kind of pure product in the years to come, well until they outlaw ICE engines anyway... |
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07-08-2018, 07:19 AM | #117 |
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I must say I love my VO 1M, it's just a totally different drive. Puts a damn smile on my face every time. And people make fun of me because I only have 7900 miles on it
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07-08-2018, 07:36 AM | #118 | |
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Am anxiously awaiting an "M0" retro celebration in 10 years that takes the brand back to 2002 Turbo territory right before autonomous driving takes over :O
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07-08-2018, 10:11 AM | #119 | |
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07-08-2018, 10:18 AM | #120 |
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Because you have a Z and missed the boat on getting a 1M?
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07-08-2018, 11:00 AM | #121 |
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No. Absolutely not. Not in any specific way, or as a whole.
This kind of groupie following seems to happen in any enthusiast market surrounding a more "limited" product, especially online communities, where the very small but very vocal minority incessantly preach their praises as gospel. 97% of ///M cars beat the 1M sitting perfectly still with the keys in their owners pocket. The thing looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame had a one night stand with Flavor Flav. "But the 1M has pappy's Ole Stick".... Sure, and my neighbor mows his own lawn. Takes him twice as long and he ends up with dog shit on his shoes. The 1M is no more special today then it was when it was announced - a pile of recycled parts slapped together around an N, I repeat N, 54. Amazing what a bunch of fanatics can do to a products supposed online popularity. Remember, if this was religion, you guys would be a cult and it would be frowned upon.
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07-08-2018, 12:14 PM | #122 |
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The 1M is ok and it sure has staying power, but for best ever how can you not say the E46 M3?
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Yes it harkens back to a time where guys changed their own oil and cared what the oil temperature was. It goes back to a time where you valued steering feedback and good dynamics. Where you wanted something simple and fast and you wanted to change your own gears. So yes, it is all about Nostalgia for sure. I miss the days where mortal enemies Gore Vidal and William Buckley would debate their strongly held positions with intelligent, cogent, respectful and well articulated discussions instead of the shouting we see today. I think the problem is you think Nostalgia is bad but some people think simplicity is beautiful and more so in these days where it is harder to find. Simplicity is rare now and the 1M was the last BMW made that celebrated simplicity. There the excitement would come from primarily from driving. Yes, the M2 is special enough compared to many modern cars to still be desirable in the future but it was not as special as the 1M that was a labor of love. the M2 was a wholly a business decision and engineered and built with that as its main focus. So while a great car, it is still more diluted than the 1M. You get comfort button, glowing M2 logo instead of oil temp, big screen on top of dash, idrive, only power seats and power folding mirrors, fake sound, auto blip, etc etc etc. So it is not the fastest, best handling, most reliable M car. I would say the E46 M3 Competition in Manual transmission is because that car takes me back to a time where cars had amazing no lag sound, firm manly suspension and great steering feedback but the 1M has a special place because it was BMWs last gasp at building a car for the few remaining nostalgic fans they had left. After the 1M, the cars are built for the masses. Remember if you wanted a 1M, you could only have it in Manual transmission....this was targetted at a small group of enthusiasts, not the case for every other BMW since. |
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Strange. I hear this all the time but apart from hydraulic steering and less power, I find the 1M and M2 crazy similar. Agreed about the S55. But I mean if you want exciting drive an Z4MC or OEM+ E46 M3. These are ultimately still just soft turbo BMWs.
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Maybe if it had a longer wheelbase. I've heard it's a bit twitchy at track speed.
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anyone who has driven the 1M....even long before any of us owned one; called it an instant classic. You clearly have not driven one nor paid attention to WHY. Oh but someone who makes poor jokes and analogies surely thinks that owners and forum members helped generate this hype right? riiiiiiiiiiight!!! Cleverness is never preceded by mediocre attempts at being clever, FYI. Looks wise? the 1M is more badass looking than anything in your garage.....by quite a large margin actually. Not everyone likes ordinary or pedestrian looks...
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The m2 has some modernizing advantages above the 1M, better performance and significantly better cooling system. They hold up on track so much better than the out of the box 1M. Despite m2 advantages, I personally found the m2 to feel a bit soft compared to the 1M. The m2 also feels considerably larger than the 1M and reminded me more of the size of my e92 m3. The m2 comp, if what I have read is correct comes in around 3600lbs. Masking weight with more power makes a nice car on paper but I think the car may fall into the same trap as the f8x generation m3's and possibly tip the balance which was so celebrated with the standard m2. |
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B). The E46 M3 is obviously a great car; but having driven a few I prefer the more bonkers and mad scientist character of the 1M. There's more drama to the 1M...the good kind. C) in terms of modern coupes there's nothing "Soft" about the 1M. It's not meant to have the fastest 'Ring time. It's not meant to be perfect. It was made for people who just want to drive something very enjoyable and simple. Only offered in manual. No sunroof. No comfort mode. It's not soft in any way..
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