Will I rub?

1013mm · 09-02-2009, 06:02 PM

Hey guys I'm going for something with this setup....

Size: 19x8.5 ET 40 F, 19x9.5 ET 45 R
Tires: 225/35/19 F, 255/30/19 R

Will I rub generally speaking (of course many things go into it like how much I roll and the tire brand)? I will lower it as far as I know I wont rub on stock springs but I will rub when lowered. Antone have a similar wheel setup?

I want to know how much fender rolling i need to do.

arrutled · 09-02-2009, 06:55 PM

only question is the rear, but I would bet you would be fine without mods. The breyton guys et48 use 255 all the time, 3mm difference. front should be fine IMO

fmxomar · 09-02-2009, 07:35 PM

arrutled breytons are not 9.5inch wide in the rear so its a whole different story.

jzhang you will rub. roll rear fenders. end of story

arok · 09-02-2009, 07:37 PM

what he said, rears will rub. unlowered will be under lots of pressure, but lowered will be rubbing all day

1013mm · 09-02-2009, 08:02 PM

will it be massive rub or slight? haha

romak47 · 09-03-2009, 11:32 PM

whats the big deal on fender rolling? Is it a permanent thing? Whats involved when you roll fenders?
Is it usually cheep to roll fenders?

Id like to get 19in rims too and lower a bit -1" max. And have similar ride feel to stock.

rims i want, or something similar that fit the 1er

:
http://www.wheelsto.com/ezmart.php?q...&ListNo=100000

arrutled · 09-04-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fmxomar

arrutled breytons are not 9.5inch wide in the rear so its a whole different story.

jzhang you will rub. roll rear fenders. end of story

Ha oops, missed that. your right

M3Newbie88 · 09-04-2009, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romak47

whats the big deal on fender rolling? Is it a permanent thing? Whats involved when you roll fenders?
Is it usually cheep to roll fenders?

Id like to get 19in rims too and lower a bit -1" max. And have similar ride feel to stock.

rims i want, or something similar that fit the 1er

:
http://www.wheelsto.com/ezmart.php?q...&ListNo=100000

If you rolll you can't undo it..

And Jzhang you will rub.. it is not the whole fender but it will be the area where the rear bumper and rear fender connects..

You are ok on speed bumps and flat roads but once you drive into deeps or pot holes you'll hear that annoying loud sound that will convince you to roll lol...

Eyeman · 09-04-2009, 09:43 AM

Btw, you'll still rub some even rolled if you lower in the range you mentioned. Trimming the liner and maybe even the fender will be required to completely eliminate rubbing. I'm using 245/35's and rolled and last night with a 300lb passenger I even rubbed sometimes just under hard acceleration with slight bumps. My front et is 43, same tires as you propose, and I think it's rubbed a tiny amount 3-4 times also.

arrutled · 09-04-2009, 09:46 AM

^ you should do a little alignment pin removal!

ichiban · 09-04-2009, 10:33 AM

I ran the max camber you can with the pins removed, it helps a little but you have to flip your tires more to help with the wear. I dont think it's worth it. Just wait for 19x8 and 19x9 wheels, and you'll be fine.

Justin(OKC) · 09-04-2009, 10:41 AM

That is 5mm more agressive front and rear than my setup and I rub a little front and rear with stock springs and M3 arms giving me a bit more camber. My rubbing is rare, but I am very concerned about rubbing when I put the suspension on the car. Be careful, 5mm extra is quite a bit in my opinion.

1013mm · 09-04-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ichiban

I ran the max camber you can with the pins removed, it helps a little but you have to flip your tires more to help with the wear. I dont think it's worth it. Just wait for 19x8 and 19x9 wheels, and you'll be fine.

hahah thanks for your input man. I was looking to go even more aggressive on these with a euro stretch

hahaha. like 19x8.5 F and 19x10 R

call me crazy.

ichiban · 09-04-2009, 12:29 PM

10's possible, someone is running 20x10, but you'll probably have to get your fender cut by a body shop, and have a custom wheel offset of 63 or so in the rear. I wouldn't want to do any track days, or aggressive driving on mountain roads with this setup tho.

arrutled · 09-04-2009, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzhang

hahah thanks for your input man. I was looking to go even more aggressive on these with a euro stretch

hahaha. like 19x8.5 F and 19x10 R

call me crazy.

your crazy. thats gonna be some work/money

Is this for looks? or track/autocross?

Ryan@IND · 09-04-2009, 01:33 PM

We are currently running 19x8.5 +40 and 19x9.5 +48 with 225/45 and 255/30 tires. We are also lowered on H&R sport springs, which are one of the lowest (if not the lowest) lowering springs on the market. We have zero rubbing, and could probably throw a 5mm spacer on with no rubbing.

1013mm · 09-04-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichiban

10's possible, someone is running 20x10, but you'll probably have to get your fender cut by a body shop, and have a custom wheel offset of 63 or so in the rear. I wouldn't want to do any track days, or aggressive driving on mountain roads with this setup tho.

dont worry its just for rolling to work,

I figure theres like 1" gap between the wheel and fender to work with so I want to use all of it. Even with lowering.

ichiban · 09-04-2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius@WheelSTO

We are currently running 19x8.5 +40 and 19x9.5 +48 with 225/45 and 255/30 tires. We are also lowered on H&R sport springs, which are one of the lowest (if not the lowest) lowering springs on the market. We have zero rubbing, and could probably throw a 5mm spacer on with no rubbing.

I have had rubbing issues, along with many other on a similar setup. with a 5 mm spacer, you would have 19x9.5 +43 in the rear, lowered by 1.3 in in the rear should rub on a lot of occasions. Iono, just doesn't seem right that it wouldn't rub. Maybe you got a one off or something.

romak47 · 09-09-2009, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius@WheelSTO

We are currently running 19x8.5 +40 and 19x9.5 +48 with 225/45 and 255/30 tires. We are also lowered on H&R sport springs, which are one of the lowest (if not the lowest) lowering springs on the market. We have zero rubbing, and could probably throw a 5mm spacer on with no rubbing.

what brand of tires?

sootyvrs · 09-10-2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichiban

I have had rubbing issues, along with many other on a similar setup. with a 5 mm spacer, you would have 19x9.5 +43 in the rear, lowered by 1.3 in in the rear should rub on a lot of occasions. Iono, just doesn't seem right that it wouldn't rub. Maybe you got a one off or something.

Here are some pics of their car from this thread
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298942

I personally wouldn't want to go any further outwards.

1013mm · 09-11-2009, 05:49 PM

Looks like the max.... maybe 19x10 is over shooting 9.5 then

Ryan@IND · 09-11-2009, 06:01 PM

you could definitely fit a 10" with a good roll, some camber, and stretched tires.

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arrutled Colonel 104 Rep 2,474 Posts Drives: Olsa Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western Mass iTrader: (0)	only question is the rear, but I would bet you would be fine without mods. The breyton guys et48 use 255 all the time, 3mm difference. front should be fine IMO __________________ AW 135i w/ blackette, performance short shift kit, BMW alarm, Performance rotors, APEX ARC-8 wheels, Direzza Star Spec 235/275, Dinan stage 3 suspension, M3 wishbones/tension rods/front sway/rear subframe bushings and thats all folks!
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fmxomar Major 94 Rep 1,245 Posts Drives: bmw 135i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: san diego, ca iTrader: (15)	arrutled breytons are not 9.5inch wide in the rear so its a whole different story. jzhang you will rub. roll rear fenders. end of story
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arok Captain 46 Rep 987 Posts Drives: BMW F30 335i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Mateo, CA iTrader: (1)	what he said, rears will rub. unlowered will be under lots of pressure, but lowered will be rubbing all day __________________ 2013 BMW 335i M-Sport
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1013mm aka 1013MM 1253 Rep 9,545 Posts Drives: pokingly flush Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles / HK iTrader: (7) Garage List 2009 135i [8.26]	will it be massive rub or slight? haha __________________ -John Project YOSHI Sale Thread
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romak47 Captain 53 Rep 941 Posts Drives: like a bat out of hell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	whats the big deal on fender rolling? Is it a permanent thing? Whats involved when you roll fenders? Is it usually cheep to roll fenders? Id like to get 19in rims too and lower a bit -1" max. And have similar ride feel to stock. rims i want, or something similar that fit the 1er : http://www.wheelsto.com/ezmart.php?q...&ListNo=100000
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ichiban Colonel 94 Rep 2,012 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	I ran the max camber you can with the pins removed, it helps a little but you have to flip your tires more to help with the wear. I dont think it's worth it. Just wait for 19x8 and 19x9 wheels, and you'll be fine.
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ichiban Colonel 94 Rep 2,012 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	10's possible, someone is running 20x10, but you'll probably have to get your fender cut by a body shop, and have a custom wheel offset of 63 or so in the rear. I wouldn't want to do any track days, or aggressive driving on mountain roads with this setup tho.
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Ryan@IND 1767 Rep 7,652 Posts Drives: ACR Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago iTrader: (18)	you could definitely fit a 10" with a good roll, some camber, and stretched tires. welcome to hellaflush.com __________________ IND DISTRIBUTION \| 866-963-4520 • INSTAGRAM • FACEBOOK • FLICKR
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