Will 128i be talked about as the "last man standing" among car guys?

[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by cwg

no the 1M is in a class by itself

Oh I see. It must be cool to get to make all the rules, huh?

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by cwg

no the 1M is in a class by itself

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Oh I see. It must be cool to get to make all the rules, huh?

I agree with cwg. Apparently 1Addicts does as well since the lumped the 128i and 135i together in the same subforum and gave the 1M it's own seperate subforum.

[cwg]

I think most people will agree the M cars are in a different class. The M cars are always viewed as significant - by their very nature they are special cars.

Its just my opinion, I believe the 128i won't be significant because the 135i is the same car but has so much more power and performance, and I dont think the pluses the 128i has will outweigh the increased power and performance of the 135i to make the 128 "significant". I think when the 1 series is rembered it will be the 135i because of the level of performance it brings to the table in stock form and the ease of modifying it

I may be wrong, but those are my opinions and the reasons for them.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Really? You agree? That's so surprising, since it benefits your ego to do so.

[P7X]

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Really? You agree? That's so surprising, since it benefits your ego to do so.

I don't get an ego from my car. I appreciate my car.



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[vertebra]

Originally Posted by vertebra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Really? You agree? That's so surprising, since it benefits your ego to do so.

I don't get an ego from my car. I appreciate my car. You don't see me with a profile name like bimmer-mark do you?



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[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I don't get an ego from my car. I appreciate my car.



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Well, you're working pretty hard to fool me, then.

[Hops128i]

Originally Posted by vertebra

right...there is none because the 128i has never been looked at or been promoted as a performance automobile. For what it is... a sporty base entry level automobile it has enough power for most.

Yes, the 128i has been discussed as a performance automobile
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/what-to-drive-for-$35000-coupe-convertible-truck-suv-fuel-sipper-and-sports-sedan-feature-car-and-driver-coupes-page-7
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264681
http://www.nextnewsstand.com/product...ng-road/wr-46/

the 128i really isn't a 'base' model, if you consider the entire 1 series lineup (worldwide), wish the 128i got the 130i engine though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_S...%28E87%29#130i

As far as being 'promoted' as a performance automobile, I don't recall the e82 being promoted at all, except for maybe an ad I vaguely recall having the 1M, and it's a shame because for me, the 1 series represents the best the brand has to offer.

[TripleThreat]

Thank you vertebra and cwg, for singlehandedly turning my thread into another pissing match between 135i and 128i. I kindly ask you to leave. Had you not entered the thread with first posts such as '128i people need to get a grip and stop smoking that green sticky weed with the orange hairs and crystals.' or 'noboday care about the car', as you have some good points, some people would not have been as aggravated nor you would have been quoted as '11yo 135ers', but damage has been done.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Well, you're working pretty hard to fool me, then.

I don't think buying a 3 year old entry model car is anything to have an ego about. In fact I don't think any car is worth having an ego over. Once you achieve real accomplishments in life you wont associate a car with your ego anymore. Until then you are just a "fool" driving a BMW.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Thank you vertebra and cwg, for singlehandedly turning my thread into another pissing match between 135i and 128i. I kindly ask you to leave. Had you not entered the thread with first posts such as '128i people need to get a grip and stop smoking that green sticky weed with the orange hairs and crystals.' or 'noboday care about the car', as you have some good points, some people would not have been as aggravated nor you would have been quoted as '11yo 135ers', but damage has been done.

Sorry if it inflamed the thread but honestly no-one is going to give a crap about the 128i, 135i or the 135is. To think that because the 128i is last NA that it will stand out in the annals of BMW history is just ludicrous.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I don't think buying a 3 year old entry model car is anything to have an ego about. In fact I don't think any car is worth having an ego over. Once you achieve real accomplishments in life you wont associate a car with your ego anymore. Until then you are just a "fool" driving a BMW.

Maybe you feel bad about having "a 3 year old entry model car," and figure you'll take it out on all the 128i owners or something. I honestly don't get it - but I know that once or twice a week, I can count on seeing you participate in some asinine thread extolling the virtues of the 135i over the lowly 128i. Why are you so adamant about convincing other people that their cars aren't as great as yours?

[Hops128i]

Originally Posted by vertebra

Sorry if it inflamed the thread but honestly no-one is going to give a crap about the 128i, 135i or the 135is. To think that because the 128i is last NA that it will stand out in the annals of BMW history is just ludicrous.

Well, no knows what the history will be 15+ years from now, we're all just speculating for fun. If cars in 15+ years become mostly self driving appliances powered by 3cylinder diesels (or whatever), it's not ludicrous to think of the 128i as a stand out car, simply because they will still be around in 15+ years, vs FI cars that might not survive because of repair costs. If someone wanted a simple RWD drivers car that made a great sound, something like the 128i would really be nice.

[Louder]

No.

[cwg]

The question being asked in this thread is will the 128i stand the test of time and "become a significant model" or "will people barely remember that [it] has existed ".

I think my first post - where I state that I believe "no one will care about that car" fairly answers the question asked. I think "no one will care about that car" is no diferent than saying "people [will] barely remember that [it] has existed". Sorry if was not the answer you were looking for - but it was a fair answer that directly answered your question. I never even mentioned the 135i in my first post.

[cwg]

Apparently Consumer Reports has rated the 135i as the top gas powered vehicle. That may lend some perspective.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840660

[Kgolf31]

E30 was a beater car, then E36s were the beater cars, now they are at the E46s.

Sooner or later the 128 and 135 will be cars high school kids grab for their first cars cheap. They will not hold value, they are over produced and nothing is really special about them.

Pretty simple.

The only thing people will remember is how easily the N54 goes into limp mode when driven hard in the track, even though it is a "performance car" with heavier brakes than the 128 with no additional braking capacity.

[cwg]

Originally Posted by Kgolf31

E30 was a beater car, then E36s were the beater cars, now they are at the E46s.

Sooner or later the 128 and 135 will be cars high school kids grab for their first cars cheap. They will not hold value, they are over produced and nothing is really special about them.

Pretty simple.

The only thing people will remember is how easily the N54 goes into limp mode when driven hard in the track, even though it is a "performance car" with heavier brakes than the 128 with no additional braking capacity.

I disagree - Most people don't track their cars. I think the 135i will be remembered as being a performance bargain with a very high level of performance. 0 to 60 time is about the same as your 07 M coupe - which is one of the all time great cars built by BMW. I know the 135i is not the 07 M coupe - but I think it will be remembered as providing a lot of performance for your dollar.

[Kgolf31]

Originally Posted by cwg

I disagree - Most people don't track their cars. I think the 135i will be remembered as being a performance bargain with a very high level of performance. 0 to 60 time is about the same as your 07 M coupe - which is one of the all time great cars built by BMW. I know the 135i is not the 07 M coupe - but I think it will be remembered as providing a lot of performance for your dollar.

True, it is a good bang for your buck, can't disagree with that.

It will probably be remember as one of the last "small" cars. As regulations become more strict, they will get heavier and fatter.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by formula M

Help me:
The difference between the 128 & the 135 is the engine... so with a lesser engine.. why would anyone consider the 128 anything, let-alone "last man standing". Makes zero sense from a logical, or technical aspect.

Also.. who cares if it's a BMW, and/or that it's Normally Aspirated?

Nostalgia ..?

Just to be clear what I mean by"last man standing" is the last car with a naturally aspirated i-6 of "good old days". No other meaning or whatsoever within this thread.

So, whether the 128i is a significant car or not (in your opinion, it is not) or you think highly of it or not (apparently you don't), it is still a hard and cold fact that the 128i is the last car with a naturally aspirted i-6 (thus, "last man standing"). Unless, of course, BMW decides to resume making more cars with such engines. Sure, if the 128i is talked about in the future at all, it could be probably just out of nostalgia. If the the car is a significant and deserves a special attention for that reason alone is totally debatable.

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by cwg

Apparently Consumer Reports has rated the 135i as the top gas powered vehicle. That may lend some perspective.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840660

Consumer Reports is worthless when it comes to cars. Over the last couple of years I would say they definitely have lost their objectivity.