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[CL 19]

Hi guys, I'm still searching for the right tires for my apex arc-8. Just for your information, my arc-8 setups are 8.5x18 et38 up front and 9.5x18 et62 on the back. My first option is Michelin PSS 225/265 but I'm just curious about other stickier tires so I'm looking for any info on Yokohama AD-08R.

Anyone running this setup? I'm planning to run 225/265 with AD-08R, will it rub on stock suspension? How about on .8"-1" drop? So far I don't really think about dropping the car but just in case I change my mind I might consider the fitment with 1" drop.

I live in Cali and I know most sticky tires are not so good in wet or bad weather but it shouldn't be a problem considering AD-08R has AA rating for temperature not an A like other sticky tires. After all the weather in Cali is not that bad at all. One last information is this tires will be use for dd only, with no track or autocross time at all.

Please help me out on this one. Other tires recommendation is always welcome. Review and pictures are always appreciated. Thank you guys!

[bimmer Don]

Ad08 r are good in the wet according. To tire rack. Bit be careful on ad08 size they run really big. There line 10 to 15 m bigger then pss. If you are not tracking or auto no point in getting these. Michelin pss or Bridgestone s 04 are a better tire for the street

[cpt97m3]

I have the same wheels as you, and I'm running the Yokohama AD-08's (not the R's), 255/35 in front, and 265/35 in back. No rubbing, but it's close. I've got the BMW performance springs, so it's about 0.75" lower than stock. I do have ground control street camber plates set at maximum camber. That's the only way to clear the 255's in front. I like the Yokohama's for AutoX, and I drive them to and from the events. But I use the Michelin PSS for daily street use since they last a bit longer, are very quiet, and work just as well on the street.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by cpt97m3

I have the same wheels as you, and I'm running the Yokohama AD-08's (not the R's), 255/35 in front, and 265/35 in back. No rubbing, but it's close. I've got the BMW performance springs, so it's about 0.75" lower than stock. I do have ground control street camber plates set at maximum camber. That's the only way to clear the 255's in front. I like the Yokohama's for AutoX, and I drive them to and from the events. But I use the Michelin PSS for daily street use since they last a bit longer, are very quiet, and work just as well on the street.

What is maximum camber?
Do you have any pics?

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by Nugget

What is maximum camber?
Do you have any pics?

It's right around 3 degrees negative. No pictures right now, but I can take some with the 255 Michelin's mounted on all 4 corners and post them in a day or two. I'll have the Apex wheels mounted in another 2 weeks.

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by cpt97m3

I have the same wheels as you, and I'm running the Yokohama AD-08's (not the R's), 255/35 in front, and 265/35 in back. No rubbing, but it's close. I've got the BMW performance springs, so it's about 0.75" lower than stock. I do have ground control street camber plates set at maximum camber. That's the only way to clear the 255's in front. I like the Yokohama's for AutoX, and I drive them to and from the events. But I use the Michelin PSS for daily street use since they last a bit longer, are very quiet, and work just as well on the street.

Pictures will be really helpful. I'm looking for 225/265 setup of AD-08R on stock suspension. How's the performance of it on wet condition? Did you mean the AD-08R has decent road noise or what?

I know Michelin PSS will be my best bet but since I drive my car 10,000 miles max per year and I live in Cali where the winter is not a problem at all, so I'm looking for other alternative. Please let me know what do you think about 225/40/18 of AD-08R on 8.5x18 et38. Thanks

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by CL 19

Pictures will be really helpful. I'm looking for 225/265 setup of AD-08R on stock suspension. How's the performance of it on wet condition? Did you mean the AD-08R has decent road noise or what?

I know Michelin PSS will be my best bet but since I drive my car 10,000 miles max per year and I live in Cali where the winter is not a problem at all, so I'm looking for other alternative. Please let me know what do you think about 225/40/18 of AD-08R on 8.5x18 et38. Thanks

AD08s are fairly noisy I think he meant the Michelins will have a lot less road noise. I currently have AD08s and have put about 10,000kms and 11 tracks days on them and they are just about gone. Wet performance is acceptable but not great.
Track performance was really good up until the last outing.
On the front I had 225/40/18 with 18x8 et40 (actually ET45 and 5mm spacer) and it fit fine. I rubbed once over a large compression driving quickly through the Hills.

Rear is 255/35/18 et50 and it fits perfectly. Would need a higher offset wheel to fit more though. They do run wide.

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by Nugget

AD08s are fairly noisy I think he meant the Michelins will have a lot less road noise. I currently have AD08s and have put about 10,000kms and 11 tracks days on them and they are just about gone. Wet performance is acceptable but not great.
Track performance was really good up until the last outing.
On the front I had 225/40/18 with 18x8 et40 (actually ET45 and 5mm spacer) and it fit fine. I rubbed once over a large compression driving quickly through the Hills.

Rear is 255/35/18 et50 and it fits perfectly. Would need a higher offset wheel to fit more though. They do run wide.

I might have to think more about AD-08R because I'm running wider rim up front compared to yours and also most people who run this tires are using it for track day or auto cross. Do you think Michelin PSS still my best choice considering my needs?

[Stohlen]

Originally Posted by CL 19

I might have to think more about AD-08R because I'm running wider rim up front compared to yours and also most people who run this tires are using it for track day or auto cross. Do you think Michelin PSS still my best choice considering my needs?

I run 245/40s and 285/30s on my wheels, which are the same offsets and widths as yours. You won't have any rubbing issues on stock suspension and could go wider if you needed/wanted. I think I could fit 295/30s in the back without rubbing.

PSS is an overrated tire.

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by Stohlen

I run 245/40s and 285/30s on my wheels, which are the same offsets and widths as yours. You won't have any rubbing issues on stock suspension and could go wider if you needed/wanted. I think I could fit 295/30s in the back without rubbing.

PSS is an overrated tire.

Are you running AD-08 or PSS? Are you using it for other duty other than dd? I know PSS is actually a kind of well rounded tires with balance in anything, but sticky tire has better performance in dry condition by sacrificing the performance in wet condition. My problem is now whether it is worth it to try AD-08R for dd car

[bimmer Don]

To me a Bridgestone re 11 sounds like the tire for you. I know they dont have the sizes on the re11a but they still sell them in re 11

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by bimmer Don

To me a Bridgestone re 11 sounds like the tire for you. I know they dont have the sizes on the re11a but they still sell them in re 11

So RE11 is better than AD-08? I'm just confuse if those sticky tires really that bad for a car that has no track time at all. Thank you for your suggestion!

[bimmer Don]

Re 11 are just as fast as the ad08s but to me they drive better in daily use. I like the steering feel of the 11s better. But the ad08 has really quick steering response. Don't forget about the z2 dunlop also. Which is very quick. Even though. The hankook rs 3 is very fast. not a good dd tire do to it need a lot of heat for then to work. The pss has the same grip as the Ad08 in street use if not more. But there wear out fast when pushed and tends to over heat with hard use.

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by bimmer Don

Re 11 are just as fast as the ad08s but to me they drive better in daily use. I like the steering feel of the 11s better. But the ad08 has really quick steering response. Don't forget about the z2 dunlop also. Which is very quick. Even though. The hankook rs 3 is very fast. not a good dd tire do to it need a lot of heat for then to work. The pss has the same grip as the Ad08 in street use if not more. But there wear out fast when pushed and tends to over heat with hard use.

RE11 weighs too much for me since I'm going with apex arc-8 which means I'm trying to shave the weight from wheels and tires. RS3 also not in my option due to worse wet performance and tread life compared to RE11 and AD08. What do you mean by hard use? Does it mean use for long distance or abuse by the driver? I haven't heard any review about ZII, how's that?

[Stohlen]

Originally Posted by CL 19

Are you running AD-08 or PSS? Are you using it for other duty other than dd? I know PSS is actually a kind of well rounded tires with balance in anything, but sticky tire has better performance in dry condition by sacrificing the performance in wet condition. My problem is now whether it is worth it to try AD-08R for dd car

I run direzza zii's. Very sticky dry weather tire, but they do okay in the wet enough for day to day driving. My problem with PSS is that as you get larger and larger in size, the gaps seperating the tread get HUGE!! I think a 255 and a 275 PSS tire have close to the same contact patch in terms of area.

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by Stohlen

I run direzza zii's. Very sticky dry weather tire, but they do okay in the wet enough for day to day driving. My problem with PSS is that as you get larger and larger in size, the gaps seperating the tread get HUGE!! I think a 255 and a 275 PSS tire have close to the same contact patch in terms of area.

Sounds good to me about your recommendation. I'm still asking tire rack specialist about my options and we'll see what he thought about my options. Really appreciate your comment. Thanks!

[bimmer Don]

A 265 pss has .2 tread more then the 275. That's why I stayed with the 265

[CL 19]

Originally Posted by bimmer Don

A 265 pss has .2 tread more then the 275. That's why I stayed with the 265

I made a right choice then for PSS. If I decided to choose PSS, I'm going to run 225/265, the narrow 225 is because of et38

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by Nugget

What is maximum camber?
Do you have any pics?

These are pictures of the 255/35 Michelin PSS tires on all 4 corners, with stock 8.5" wheels front and rear. I use a 10mm spacer on the front wheels. Tires clear fine in front, but only because I'm running about 3 degrees of negative camber.

I'll have the 8.5"/9.5" Apex wheels with the Yokohama AD08's (255/265) for AutoX use. They also work fine on the street, but the Michelins are nice and quiet for the street.

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by cpt97m3

These are pictures of the 255/35 Michelin PSS tires on all 4 corners, with stock 8.5" wheels front and rear. I use a 10mm spacer on the front wheels. Tires clear fine in front, but only because I'm running about 3 degrees of negative camber.

I'll have the 8.5"/9.5" Apex wheels with the Yokohama AD08's (255/265) for AutoX use. They also work fine on the street, but the Michelins are nice and quiet for the street.

The front dosent look that wide must be the camber. Do you run the same camber all the time?

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by Rukuss

The front dosent look that wide must be the camber. Do you run the same camber all the time?

Yes, it's the camber. It only looks wide when you view the car head on. It's got plenty of fender clearance with the 8.5" wheel and the 255's. There is a plastic fender tab that i ground down a bit for clearance, but it's inside the fender well. Only would hit when turning the wheel and hitting a bump. Since others had mentioned it, I just ground it down some with a dremal and I haven't had a problem.

I do run the 3 degrees negative full time, but I run zero toe, or really just a bit of toe in. If you run any toe out at all it will wear out fast, but so far I've not had a problem with wearing out the insides of the tires. The autox tires still wear a bit more on the outside.

I'm going to switch the Autox tires to 9.0" BBS wheels in front, but stay with the 9.5" Apex wheels in back, still with 255 Front and 265 rear.

[Ginger_Extract]

Serious question, why are you looking to run some of most aggressive/expensive street performance tires, if you have no intention to track the car at all? Sounds like an expensive waste of money once they wear it in 10,000 miles, at best.