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Jason · 05-25-2011, 08:06 AM

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Car Clash: BMW 1M vs. Porsche Cayman R

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Car Enthusiast drives the BMW 1M back-to-back against the Porsche Cayman R and comes in with their verdict - "the M is the one we'd take home." How do they arrive at this conclusion?

Showroom Appeal:
BMW 1 Series M Coupé:

Porsche Cayman R:

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The BMW, on the other hand, doesn't so much refine its 1 Series basis as ditch it entirely. It might be called the 1 Series M Coupé, but underneath it's an M3 and on top basically bespoke, the body stretched to accommodate a track that simply wouldn't fit under a 120d. Trademark M Division parts - twin stalk mirrors, quad tailpipes, M3 CSL 19-inch wheels - finish off the aesthetic. It's a glorious, boil washed touring car, but one that happens to fit four comfortably and have a decent boot.

Behind the Wheel:
BMW 1 Series M Coupé:

Porsche Cayman R:

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Compared back to back, you can't help but leave with the feeling that the perfect cabin would be a meeting of the two in the middle: the 1 Series doesn't do enough to feel truly special - as lovely as the orange stitched Alcantara trim is - while the Cayman is so uncompromising that it would take a driver of uncanny patience, physical flexibility and partial deafness to live with it every day. Continued...

Money Matters:
BMW 1 Series M Coupé:

Porsche Cayman R:

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BMW has restricted UK buyers to just 450 1 M Coupés, and at £40,020 it's a good £14,000 cheaper than the M3 on which it's based. That's probably why a third of the allocation had sold before the car went on sale, and why we think this car represents one of the best investments you can make this side of a supercar. Continued...

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BMW 1 Series M Coupé:

Porsche Cayman R:

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Yes, the foregone conclusion is accurate - you would take the Porsche if this was purely a dynamic exercise, and you were buying a toy. But that the 1 M runs it close for enjoyment is a testament to the Bavarian car's surprising completeness. We expect the Cayman S would give us more to think about for a day-to-day runner, but for this test, the M is the one we'd take home. Then we'd put the climate control on, listen to Radio 1 Extra on DAB, and maybe pick up something from Ikea, just to prove a point.

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JJSchmooze · 05-25-2011, 09:04 AM

I like!

Yes, strictly performance wise, the Cayman is the victor. However, considering that the 1M was never introduced to the public to compete with a Cayman R, nor is it even close to the cost of one- all while performing close enough for argument is the reason I feel the 1M earns its merits as the winner. It would be another thing entirely if it were three to four seconds behind on lap times, but I know what +0:01.00 looks like, and that is when the Cayman R crosses the finish line, all while looking at the kidney grilles of the 1M filled in his rear-view.

Possibly looking like this.......

positiveions · 05-25-2011, 09:04 AM

i think it all comes down to: you get what you pay for. It is less expensive (substantially) than the Cayman R, yet it has the performance of a street/race car. Which is an awesome combo in my opinion.

JJSchmooze · 05-25-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JJSchmooze

I like!

Yes, strictly performance wise, the Cayman is the victor. However, considering that the 1M was never introduced to the public to compete with a Cayman R, nor is it even close to the cost of one- all while performing close enough for argument is the reason I feel the 1M earns its merits as the winner. It would be another thing entirely if it were three to four seconds behind on lap times, but I know what +0:01.00 looks like, and that is when the Cayman R crosses the finish line, all while looking at the kidney grilles of the 1M filled in his rear-view.

Possibly looking like this.......

"There is a wolf in your backseat!"

MrRoboto · 05-25-2011, 09:24 AM

The fact that the 1M is even included in a test with the likes of the mighty Cayman R is a win for me.

MrRoboto · 05-25-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

i think it all comes down to: you get what you pay for. It is less expensive (substantially) than the Cayman R, yet it has the performance of a street/race car. Which is an awesome combo in my opinion.

Not at all...you get a hell of a lot more then you pay for with the 1M!

antzcrashing · 05-25-2011, 09:27 AM

cool thanks, love reading about the 1M

1on135_deal · 05-25-2011, 09:27 AM

wackman i hate that ccar

Tuned1M · 05-25-2011, 09:41 AM

CR sure takes the beauty award IMO.

cuban335i · 05-25-2011, 10:24 AM

Oh god... Not another one of these reviews that the BMW wins due to it's daily drivability..

The Porsche is leagues better than the 1M performance wise.. For example: the Cayman R laps Hockenheim in 1:12.4 (which is faster than a M3 GTS, Ferrari f430, Audi R8 V10, Porsche 911 GTS with PDK, And obviously the M3 and 1M). THE 1M GOES AROUND IN 1:14.1.

Give me a break.. You are comparing sports cars and their performance capabilities are not the most heavily weighted characteristics? Sure the Cayman R is more expensive, but it's also faster than BMW's most expensive M3 GTS around the track..

This comparison is a joke, I would take the cayman r any day over the 1M. I would actually never buy the 1M but would buy the cayman r if it's replacement wasn't coming out next year.

mpm3 · 05-25-2011, 10:29 AM

LOL too funny, porsche is the better car by miles....and not becasue its a porsche its becasue its actcaully better

Cisitalia · 05-25-2011, 10:44 AM

My pick would be the Cayman S/R as well. But I also agree the next gen Cayman will be worth the wait. That will most likely be my next car. But I am interested in what BMW will do with the next gen M3.

termigni · 05-25-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cuban335i

Oh god... Not another one of these reviews that the BMW wins due to it's daily drivability..

The Porsche is leagues better than the 1M performance wise.. For example: the Cayman R laps Hockenheim in 1:12.4 (which is faster than a M3 GTS, Ferrari f430, Audi R8 V10, Porsche 911 GTS with PDK, And obviously the M3 and 1M). THE 1M GOES AROUND IN 1:14.1.

Give me a break.. You are comparing sports cars and their performance capabilities are not the most heavily weighted characteristics? Sure the Cayman R is more expensive, but it's also faster than BMW's most expensive M3 GTS around the track..

This comparison is a joke, I would take the cayman r any day over the 1M. I would actually never buy the 1M but would buy the cayman r if it's replacement wasn't coming out next year.

I love the 1M but yea, i agree 1000%

skyphab · 05-25-2011, 11:03 AM

Nice! Yet another "How to justify that I didn't want to buy a Porsche (because I couldn't)"-review

Why not comparing the 1M to the F458? Hell, is the 1M a bargain!

cuban335i:

Augenbrauezug · 05-25-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cuban335i

Oh god... Not another one of these reviews that the BMW wins due to it's daily drivability..

The Porsche is leagues better than the 1M performance wise.. For example: the Cayman R laps Hockenheim in 1:12.4 (which is faster than a M3 GTS, Ferrari f430, Audi R8 V10, Porsche 911 GTS with PDK, And obviously the M3 and 1M). THE 1M GOES AROUND IN 1:14.1.

Give me a break.. You are comparing sports cars and their performance capabilities are not the most heavily weighted characteristics? Sure the Cayman R is more expensive, but it's also faster than BMW's most expensive M3 GTS around the track..

This comparison is a joke, I would take the cayman r any day over the 1M. I would actually never buy the 1M but would buy the cayman r if it's replacement wasn't coming out next year.

Oh god... Not another one of these critiques that the Porsche wins due to someone's ability to quote lap times.

They mention pretty clearly if it was purely performance the Porsche wins. Cayman R doesn't have a radio of a/c I think. No big deal if it's a track car, but most of us like to take these kind of cars out on the strip to watch heads turn sometimes. I may even want to take a girl for a spin, no a/c and radio is a kicker for me.

Ash83 · 05-25-2011, 11:25 AM

I love BMW but i will take the Porsche any day..

a burrito · 05-25-2011, 11:27 AM

If money is not a factor i'd take the cayman over the 1M ALL DAY LONG.. The 1 series is extremely small anyways and the only true advantage it has over the cayman will be the back seat

KingOfJericho · 05-25-2011, 11:45 AM

The 1M is absolutely NOT "extremely small." It's *slightly* narrower than a 3er and I fail to see how the latter is perfectly fine with no complaints but the slightly smaller 1er is suddenly "extremely small." A Lotus is extremely small, a 1er is not.

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skyphab · 05-25-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

They mention pretty clearly if it was purely performance the Porsche wins. Cayman R doesn't have a radio of a/c I think. No big deal if it's a track car, but most of us like to take these kind of cars out on the strip to watch heads turn sometimes. I may even want to take a girl for a spin, no a/c and radio is a kicker for me.

You're right. So order the A/C and radio back in, where's the problem?
Oh wait. Too expensive?

I get the point!

cuban335i · 05-25-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

Oh god... Not another one of these critiques that the Porsche wins due to someone's ability to quote lap times.

They mention pretty clearly if it was purely performance the Porsche wins. Cayman R doesn't have a radio of a/c I think. No big deal if it's a track car, but most of us like to take these kind of cars out on the strip to watch heads turn sometimes. I may even want to take a girl for a spin, no a/c and radio is a kicker for me.

A/C and radio are no cost options that most cayman R's have. Do some research before saying things. I wouldn't buy a car without a/c or radio either. And the added weight from adding those can be mitigated by adding the lightweight Battery

Cisitalia · 05-25-2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

Oh god... Not another one of these critiques that the Porsche wins due to someone's ability to quote lap times.

They mention pretty clearly if it was purely performance the Porsche wins. Cayman R doesn't have a radio of a/c I think. No big deal if it's a track car, but most of us like to take these kind of cars out on the strip to watch heads turn sometimes. I may even want to take a girl for a spin, no a/c and radio is a kicker for me.

The Cayman R can be oredered with A/C and a radio. I bet the majority that come to the USA will have A/C and radio. Only die hard track junkies will order it with out those options.

This reminds me of the 911 RS America back in the early '90s that A/C and radio and sunroof were optional. It was very hard to find any used RS America without those options, so I bet bet the Cayman R will be equipped with those creature comforts that the majority wants.

I get the feeling that you may have not spent any quality time driving any Cayman and I'm not talking about a ride around the block. If you did you may change your opinion on the merits of the Cayman and the all around greatness of that car.

superchargedman · 05-25-2011, 12:00 PM

I think that's what he means.

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Originally Posted by MrRoboto

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

i think it all comes down to: you get what you pay for. It is less expensive (substantially) than the Cayman R, yet it has the performance of a street/race car. Which is an awesome combo in my opinion.

Not at all...you get a hell of a lot more then you pay for with the 1M!

05-25-2011, 09:04 AM	#2
JJSchmooze I'm on that Orange Crush Drives: 1M Coupe VOP ZCV ZPP Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dirty Jerz Posts: 146 iTrader: (0)	I like! Yes, strictly performance wise, the Cayman is the victor. However, considering that the 1M was never introduced to the public to compete with a Cayman R, nor is it even close to the cost of one- all while performing close enough for argument is the reason I feel the 1M earns its merits as the winner. It would be another thing entirely if it were three to four seconds behind on lap times, but I know what +0:01.00 looks like, and that is when the Cayman R crosses the finish line, all while looking at the kidney grilles of the 1M filled in his rear-view. Possibly looking like this....... __________________ “Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... that’s what gets you.” Jeremy Clarkson

05-25-2011, 09:04 AM	#3
positiveions Major General Drives: 09 MKV JETTA 2.5 & E90 M3 :) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Verne, CA Posts: 8,857 iTrader: (1)	i think it all comes down to: you get what you pay for. It is less expensive (substantially) than the Cayman R, yet it has the performance of a street/race car. Which is an awesome combo in my opinion. __________________

05-25-2011, 09:27 AM	#7
antzcrashing ... can I get a 1M Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami FL Posts: 927 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 330i [5.00]	cool thanks, love reading about the 1M __________________

05-25-2011, 09:27 AM	#8
1on135_deal First Lieutenant Drives: 2011 135i & 2011 M3 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY Posts: 345 iTrader: (0)	wackman i hate that ccar __________________ "you blink I shift" DCT

05-25-2011, 10:24 AM	#10
cuban335i Brigadier General Drives: '12 M3/'09 e92 335i/'11 MCS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: central NJ Posts: 3,546 iTrader: (18)	Oh god... Not another one of these reviews that the BMW wins due to it's daily drivability.. The Porsche is leagues better than the 1M performance wise.. For example: the Cayman R laps Hockenheim in 1:12.4 (which is faster than a M3 GTS, Ferrari f430, Audi R8 V10, Porsche 911 GTS with PDK, And obviously the M3 and 1M). THE 1M GOES AROUND IN 1:14.1. Give me a break.. You are comparing sports cars and their performance capabilities are not the most heavily weighted characteristics? Sure the Cayman R is more expensive, but it's also faster than BMW's most expensive M3 GTS around the track.. This comparison is a joke, I would take the cayman r any day over the 1M. I would actually never buy the 1M but would buy the cayman r if it's replacement wasn't coming out next year. __________________ '12 e92 M3 Melbourne Red/Bamboo - ADV.1 ADV10, Volk TE37SL, OSS, Innotech F1, Arkym, iND '09 e92 335i Alpine White/Saddle Brown - fully modded

05-25-2011, 09:24 AM	#5
MrRoboto Colonel Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2,600 iTrader: (0)	The fact that the 1M is even included in a test with the likes of the mighty Cayman R is a win for me.

05-25-2011, 09:41 AM	#9
Tuned1M Brigadier General Drives: ANAW1M Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 3,141 iTrader: (1)	CR sure takes the beauty award IMO.

05-25-2011, 10:29 AM	#11
mpm3 Captain Drives: 2007 M coupe Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 776 iTrader: (6) Garage List 2007 BMW M coupe [5.00] 2011 BMW M3 [0.00]	LOL too funny, porsche is the better car by miles....and not becasue its a porsche its becasue its actcaully better __________________

05-25-2011, 10:44 AM	#12
Cisitalia No fast lane bandits allowed Drives: 2009 135i TiAg 6mt M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 337 iTrader: (1)	My pick would be the Cayman S/R as well. But I also agree the next gen Cayman will be worth the wait. That will most likely be my next car. But I am interested in what BMW will do with the next gen M3.

05-25-2011, 11:03 AM	#14
skyphab First Lieutenant Drives: MK5 GTI --> Cayman R (skip 1M) Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 350 iTrader: (0)	Nice! Yet another "How to justify that I didn't want to buy a Porsche (because I couldn't)"-review Why not comparing the 1M to the F458? Hell, is the 1M a bargain! cuban335i: __________________ Last edited by skyphab; 05-25-2011 at 11:10 AM.

05-25-2011, 11:25 AM	#16
Ash83 Major Drives: 05' 325i/10' 135i/10' Audi A4 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,098 iTrader: (1)	I love BMW but i will take the Porsche any day.. __________________ Alpine White, Coral RED , Glacier Silver Aluminum trim, M sport, 6MT, NAV, HiFi, USB-iPod, Bluetooth

05-25-2011, 11:27 AM	#17
a burrito Lieutenant Colonel Drives: '11 E90 M3, '12 958 S Join Date: May 2005 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 1,823 iTrader: (0)	If money is not a factor i'd take the cayman over the 1M ALL DAY LONG.. The 1 series is extremely small anyways and the only true advantage it has over the cayman will be the back seat __________________ Peanut Butter Chunky AD08. Akra. Huper Optik. KW V3. Macht Schnell. RE SSK. TMS.

05-25-2011, 11:45 AM	#18
KingOfJericho Brigadier General Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT Posts: 4,241 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [4.50]	The 1M is absolutely NOT "extremely small." It's slightly narrower than a 3er and I fail to see how the latter is perfectly fine with no complaints but the slightly smaller 1er is suddenly "extremely small." A Lotus is extremely small, a 1er is not. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2010 S4 Current \| 2010 BMW 135i GONE \| 2008 VW GTI SOLD \| 2006 Lotus Exige SOLD Last edited by KingOfJericho; 05-25-2011 at 11:52 AM.

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