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Of course it wouldn't be worth it NOW that there is a 1M. We are the reason there IS a 1M. We started swapping M3 parts (HPA), we started turning the boost up (Terry/Shiv). We asked for the widebody kit. (E/R) We built the equivalent of the 1M before they (bmw) probably even thought about it.
Now, since there is a 1M, of course it's a better idea to buy that for 48k instead of buying the 135i and trying to make it as nimble as the 1M. But for us that already own (and have modded) the 1er's of yore, it's just too small of a gap to buy a brand new 1M @ MSRP. I love how the thread started with a clear goal statement: stock 1M vs tuned 135i. Now we are talking about suspension and price points for building the 1M. Hahaha. We definitely aren't busy enough right now. We all have great cars.
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HGR did a good job clarifying what I was trying to say.
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I would say, how do you know they are the same? Just because YOU say so? Or just because you look at the outside appearance of the engine in a side by side picture? Any changes to the inlet manifold would not be evident by outward appearance obviously. I am not saying I am certain there is a definite difference between the 1M and the 335i but you should cool your jets a bit until you know for certain. It is mentioned in several publications so I leave the possibility that there might be some minor differences.
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Right, I thought I conveyed that, my bad.
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Cool my jets? LMAO!
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Well, you did quote inside line, so I based my response accordingly.
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Also from inside line:
Approximately forever ago we learned the 2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe would use a version of BMW's N54 engine (no, not the newer, single-turbo N55). This is the twin-turbocharged and direct-injected 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder that we liked so much in our long-term 135i. In any case I believe that they are talking about in inlet for the Z4 being different, which it very much is. In any case I'm not the one getting all torn up over this, and I'm not going to. If you can show me a part number difference or a physical Photograph, and not a quote from a magazine then of course I'm going to assume it's the same. I have nothing showing me otherwise at this point other than people calling me names on the Internet.
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Look, I'm not here to make enemies, more am I saying that the 1-series M isn't a better car than the 135i. I'm just not going to jump up and down in my seat to say that the engine is anything other than what it is until PROOF shows me otherwise.
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you meen you're NOT saying the 1m is a better car...?
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LOL, stupid iPhone...nor, not more..
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The 1M is simply a better 135i....and that is what it was intended to be...but it isn't better enough for many people that own tuned 135i's to trade/sell their cars for it. I think the OP wrote his question for this very reason....
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1M vs 135i .........engines aside,how many laps around a technical course would it take to bring out each of these two amigos strenghts and weakness' to justify paying extra for a factory built M car with a warranty etc etc ....even with similar acceleration numbers it's a no brainer for me 1M all the way.......I can sprint just as fast as my dog right up untill i'm winded like an old stripper....but i can still run as fast as the dog for 100 feet if you"ll let me rest for 20 minutes after each blitz..
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See the highlighted portion??? I have many laps around the track in my tuned 135i with zero limp modes, zero HPFP replacements, zero real problems....could I use a bit more suspension tuning? Yes...but it is dollars to donuts compared to me buying a brand-new 1M just for that....not everyone has a large amount of disposable income....for those of us that don't keep our existing tuned cars it is a no-brainer....almost EVERYONE that gives your lame argument have either A. Disposable income or B. Never owned a 135i, let alone a tuned one.....
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Better question. How many of the 1-Series M Coupe's will be driven as intended?
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My perfect 1M would be basically the same thing, but with a real S motor. Preferably a NA 3.2L with 12.5:1CR, direct injection, and aggressive cams making around 300-320hp on pump gas, rev to around 8,200 rpm and weigh an even 3,000 LBs. Then I would be really excited about it.
You can't tell at all that my first Bimmer was an E30 can you...?
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