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12-13-2011, 04:53 PM | #45 |
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I think I saw you drive past the St Johns Town Center the other weekend... I was in my Jeep though.
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12-13-2011, 04:55 PM | #46 | |
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The 1M is undeniably a better car right off the bat and is built by BMW so you get the factory reliability, resale value benefit and so on, but I stand by my comment that the 135i can be everything the 1M is and can be for less. |
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Get a nicely maintained, pre-owned 135i and add the modifications you need to even the playing field and you'll have a car that feels similar and is just as quick for less. No chance would it cost more. Spend sticker price for a 1M versus a nice, pre-owned 135i with the difference in modifications and I bet the car would be faster in every measurable test. It really doesn't even matter, this is stupid. If you think the feel and performance of a 1M can't be had for less than the cost a 1M then you're ignorant. It's better to be built than bought IMO with the best driver being king no matter what he's driving. That's what I am in this for. Last edited by IGoFast1589; 12-13-2011 at 05:50 PM.. |
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12-13-2011, 05:47 PM | #50 |
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I am running 235 front 265 rear Nitto 555s on stock rims with absolutely no rubbing right now. (Stock height)
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Go to evolution racewerks site. Wider fenders and you can run a square 285 setup. (more if you want as they only stopped there do to their race series restrictions) The 1m is just using M3 suspension parts. You can get all of that....for cheaper than the 1m premium. And throw in better where needed...for even more savings over bmw oem parts. (coilovers being the prime example) Over boost is a crock of crap. All the tune developers have said they couldn't find any such feature. I am not hating on the 1m as i think it is a great car. Clearly better part for part or stock for stock. But dollar for dollar you can build a faster more personalized car for cheaper with a 135i. Especially if you buy used. I can understand the resale argument but that isn't a factor for many tuners as they care about a car that fits them...cars are not investments, rarely can you make money on one. So for a guy willing to do some modding...you are getting an M badge and a better looking body. Though my car has M badges all over it from the factory. And i bet all those body panels could be made to fit...ER widebody if they don't. Just my $.02 Edit...I bet the steering rack could be swapped as well honestly. (they said it came from the M3 parts bin....that means junk yards have them) That HP car had a lot of un necessary parts adding to the total $. Could spend mush less and make it all work.
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12-13-2011, 06:18 PM | #54 | |
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If I had the $ I would totally get a 1M also, but a 135i can still be everything a 1M is and can be without a doubt. Same deal with an STi and WRX. Plenty of WRX's out there that are faster than STi's without much $ put into them. |
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12-13-2011, 06:35 PM | #55 |
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Yes, but an LSD and an additional 100+ whp over a factory 135i > than 245 race spec tires, the factory open differential and stock 135i power. $.02
I would love to see track telemetry and and times here. I don't see why it's that hard to believe that it's not that difficult... Take The $18,000 or so spent in modifications to the 135i in the article and add it to a used 135i for let's say $28,000 and it's done. Use the $18,000 the spent in the article even more wisely by using the money spent on useless cosmetic changes towards wider fenders to fit wheels and tires that are the same size as a factory 1M and there you go. Done. |
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12-13-2011, 06:42 PM | #56 | |
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Oh and I certainly care about feel and crisp, if I didn't I would still drive a 135i |
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12-13-2011, 06:43 PM | #57 | |
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12-13-2011, 06:54 PM | #58 | |
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What do you think, HPA? You've got the relevant experience here to say for sure. Despite what some may consider a bias opinion due to the potential profits of the more accessible 135i market. |
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12-14-2011, 12:36 AM | #59 |
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interesting read!
I thought about this topic the second I heard the 1M hadthis engine performance aside... the 1M is wayyyy hotter
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My ideal world would be the 1M stock for weekend driving and sporadic track days (given the collectible factor) and getting a used 135i to modify and turn it into a track/race car.
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12-14-2011, 08:01 AM | #61 |
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I do not know how I missed this article until now, It was a great read and a great exposure to Harold and the others at HP Autowerks, which in my opinion is one of the most standup vendors out there for the 1 series.
I have always said I would love to put my car up against a 1M and see the outcome. I do love the look of the 1M, but when all is said I walked out of the dealer $8K below sticker with a new 135I and done 100% of the labor on mods myself and I figure I have about $8K still to play with (which should cover turbo, fuel system and a few other upgrades) and with that I would have my sights on much more than a 1M. I would bet my car is a better DD for my 100 mile round trip to work with a much better stereo!!! This article did make me think my next mod should be a new 1M steering rack, which should be easy enough to get. All joking aside, because I would hate to ruffle up all the M purist, the 1M is an awesome car without a doubt.
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These are the only part #s I found different, so is this the part that makes the steering tighter on the M cars? The BMW 135 part I found on REALOEM is hydro steering gear 32106777463 $1,394.37. The BMW 1M part I found on REALOEM is hydro steering gear 32102283633 $1,673.24. The BMW M3 part I found on REALOEM is hydro steering gear 32102283633 $1,673.24. Part #1 |
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12-19-2011, 06:06 PM | #65 |
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I need to change the steering rack of my 135i due to a car accident. Is it possible to install the 1M unit without any other modification and, if so, with what kind of results in terms of steering wheel effort considering that also the steering pump is different on the ///M?
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