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05-30-2012, 02:39 PM | #45 |
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Although some of the statments in this thread are somewhat comical, I'm in as good a position as anyone to compare the two cars since I currently own both, a 2003 Nissan 350Z and a 2009 BMW 135i. I also used to own a 2009 Nissan 370Z before I purchased my 135i.
First Nissan Z cars (350Z and 370Z) are very different than the 1. They are obviously 2 seat sports cars with naturally aspirated engines. All but the base or non sport models come standard with LSDs. They also come with much larger wheel and tire set ups than the 1. The 350Z (and 370Z) will accept much larger wheels (with more aggressive offsets) and tires than a 1 will. I'm currently running 255/40/19s (front) and 285/35/19s (rear) on my 350Z on 9.5 and 10.5 inch wheels respectively. I previously had 295s on the rear. Stock versus Stock a 135i will out accelerate a 350Z, but a 350Z will out handle a 135i. Both cars accept modding very well, but the 135i is much easier to make more power in because its engine is turbocharged. Aftermarket forced induction is available for the 350Z, but it is not cheap and reliability can be a concern. Most 350Z owners who modify their cars do so with bolt ons, like intakes, headers, cats, exhaust and a tune. Those bolt ons aren't going to make huge amounts of power. Almost any 135i tune alone is going to make a lot more power than any NA 350Z can make with bolt ons and a tune. Torque is the other advantage the 135i has over the 350Z. Both my cars are modded and have tunes, but my 135i will out accelrate my 350Z all day. However, my Z handles and brakes better than my 135i does. I'd be surprised if my Z would hang right with a stock 135i though in terms of acceleration though. Although my 350Z only has bolt on mods and a tune, it has an aftermarket intake, intake plenum, cams, headers, cats, exhaust, clutch and flywheel, and 3.9 gears. It also has a full aftermarket suspension, chassis braces and a four wheel Stop Tech BBK. My Z is brash, loud, and rough around the edges. However, it is a hoot to drive. My 135i is much more refined, and since I'm getting older much more comfortable. Now that my 135i has a tune, lost the run flats and I've improved the suspension it not only rides well, but it is fun to drive too, without being too harsh.
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05-30-2012, 03:18 PM | #46 |
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I think this video should help you alot
MY friend has a stillen supercharged 350z and he cant pull on me so i doubt a z without FI will even be close. |
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Look the VQ engines are quite nice sounding and well built, but a stock 350 is getting walked by a 135 every single time, if we're talking a drag race. Not in the same ball park.....370s can move though, i'd be interested to see how they stack up.
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I would guess a 370Z should be ahead in most road courses by a second or two per lap, which is well into the rear view mirror. It has 30mm more tire all around, better suspension, weighs slightly less, probably lower CG, much stiffer from the factory, etc.
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I had an '04 Touring. I really loved that car, but only owned it for 6 months before we found out our first kid was due. Traded it 3 months later. My 1 is, without a doubt, much faster in a straight line. The 350, however, was more confidence inspiring in the twisties.
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We'll I just got done racing a nismo 370 from a 10mph roll to about 90mph on a closed course and beat him by about 2.5-3 cars I had someone in the passenger seat only mod I have is the N55 JB+ I don't have any badges on my car and he thought I was a 335i
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Both of these are extremely awesome and helpful posts. It's really great to see the feelings of actual owners rather than just speculation. I agree with both of you 100% (even in the parts I didn't copy into your quotes because I didn't want my post to be obnoxiously long). I think it does boil down to what I said earlier... the Nissan Z cars are sports cars, the 1 series is a sporty luxury coupe. The better performance out of the box, stiffer suspension, LSD, roughness on your back () are all in the sports car Z blood. The 135i is smoother, more compliant, more user-friendly, but ultimately less "sporty" overall without the upgrades us "enthusiasts" on the forum usually do versus the average BMW owner. Different missions, different emphasis. Both awesome cars. But obviously, the turbo is more tunable, and the BMW (versus a Nissan) is more refined. No reason to get upset over anything. There's things Porsche could teach BMW, too. Likewise, there's things Nissan could teach both
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8 or 9 cars seems like a lot to win by though. On a jetstrip I raced a 370Z with intake/exhaust/catless test pipes/tune with my current mods at a 40 roll and I beat him by 3 cars by the time we hit 100. by the time we hit 120 I was at about 5+ cars
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I could imagine that with having a nice tune and downpipes it would just be major raping.
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And yes, the Stillen blower is probably the worst FI bang for the buck for that platform. Vortech is the only supercharger I looked at for my Z, but really the platform does much better with single and twin turbo setups. And also yes, the car was a blast to drive even na. Great car for road courses, not so much for straight lines as everyone else here has pointed out.
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I am a former G35 driver. That car was not fast by current standards with a 0-60 time of roughly 6 seconds. When driven hard it sounded like it might blow up. The automatic could not do successive manual mode downshifts quickly. However, it was one of the most reliable cars I ever owned.
For pure driving enjoyment the 135i blows it away. IMO the problems of the Z as a DD are ride, road noise and almost no luggage space.
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He just spent Bout 6k in mods ... Vortech s/c and valve body cover for better shifts
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The reason I got rid of my 370Z was the engine. If my 370Z came with the N54 motor from the 1 I'd still be driving it today. The VQ37 is a sophisticated engine, but it is far from being a smooth running motor, especially over 5,000 rpms. It also doesn't have a pleasant exhaust note like the 350Z does. Finally it has an issue with very high oil temps when driven hard. Initially 370Zs didn't come with oil coolers, although I believe that they now do, but the oil cooler is tied into the cooling system rather than being a stand alone cooler.
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He just got everything installed and tuned we are going for another run But now I got vrsf dps and 50:50 e85. Let's see how I do
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I don't know he put like 410 to the wheels we are going for a run tonight if the weather holds its going to be a tough run
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