BMW 1 Series M Coupé – what would you like to know?

[MikesBMW]

is navi standard? can i get a moonroof?

[JB135MDCT]

Surprised no one has asked. What are the the front and rear ARB diameters of the 1M?

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Surprised no one has asked. What are the the front and rear ARB diameters of the 1M?

They are hollow, so unless you know the ID as well you can't compare them...

Nice coverage, by the way.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

They are hollow, so unless you know the ID as well you can't compare them...

Nice coverage, by the way.

Fair, but we can assume they are using stock parts? & Thanks.

Pete, Is it time to upgrade that R32 to a 1M? Do it, Do it.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Fair, but we can assume they are using stock parts? & Thanks.

Uh, I was refering to the stock M's parts... From the BMW press release:
"Both the front and rear axles feature hollow anti-roll bars optimized for their function and weight."

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Pete, Is it time to upgrade that R32 to a 1M? Do it, Do it.

That it may be. I do miss my old E46 M3 occasionally, and this thing looks much more tunable...

[Steved]

Originally Posted by BMWDAD

Thank you sooooooo much for that. Now one more question.

Inside Line claims only 1000 units coming to USA. (please tell me this is wrong)

Sorry to say, but I believe they are correct. There are only 450 cars coming to the UK, which is the second largest market for M-cars.

There is only a very limited production run, with no likelihood of extending since the 1 Series will be facelifted next year and then a completely new 1 Series (which looks totally different to the present car) will be on sale a year or two thereafter.

This is BMW 'dipping their toes' in the water and producing a special model towards the end of the life of an existing model.

Better get your order in for a 1 Series M Coupe while there's any stock still available...

[Steved]

Originally Posted by pyrat

convertible?
can I get it without nav?
can I get it without idrive?
how many will be made?

thanks

No Convertible.

Nav is an option in the UK, as standard it comes with BMW Radio Business. Options include Comfort Access, HK Surround Sound, Professional Nav, Adaptive Lights and High Beam Assist, Metallic Paint, Bluetooth, Electric Seats, Heated Seats, Sun Protection Glass, Folding Exterior Mirrors.

You might have these contained in specific upgrade packages, but that's how it looks in the UK.

No, you cannot have it without iDrive - iDrive is used for several of the parameters for MDM.

Numbers - very limited. Looks like 450 in the UK and 1000 in the US.

[Steved]

Originally Posted by Radar This

when should we expect accessories?

Not sure what you mean, there is an options list available on the 1 Series M Coupe just like any other BMW model.

I have just updated my post from last night to include a photo of the spec sheet for the car we photographed yesterday.

http://www.skiddmark.com/2010/12/09/...eries-m-coupe/

[Steved]

Originally Posted by MB135i

is navi standard? can i get a moonroof?

Here in the UK you would need to specify NAV as a paid option. Moonroof is not one of the options available, unless of course BMW US decides to push for this in its own market.

[Steved]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Surprised no one has asked. What are the the front and rear ARB diameters of the 1M?

I haven't seen any dimensions in the information provided to us by BMW, but from the looks of them I'd say they were the same size as the previous generation E46 M3. They are hollow ARBs as per the E46 M3 and given the similar weight, I'd expect them to be close if not identical.

[Steved]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

That it may be. I do miss my old E46 M3 occasionally, and this thing looks much more tunable...

Pete, my gut feel when looking closely at the 1M is that many of the tried-and-tested chassis tuning options for the E46 M3 will also be applicable. Engine wise it would be reasonable to assume that 335i tuning approaches would work however I'm not sure how these would work with the 'overboost' programming and the two engine maps created by BMW M.

The engine is certainly more sophisticated than a regular 135i/335i, but a really good tuner who already understood the N54 should be able to handle it.

[as7920]

So let's call it £40k (is that the starting price next year or in today's money?

Will the price go up by 2.5% when the VAT increase comes into effect in January? Taking the starting price to £41k. Or is the £40k including that?

I have to have NAV, so I'm looking at £42-£44k

That's almost £3k more than the similarly specced RS3.

[eugegall]

Originally Posted by as7920

So let's call it £40k (is that the starting price next year or in today's money?

Will the price go up by 2.5% when the VAT increase comes into effect in January? Taking the starting price to £41k. Or is the £40k including that?

I have to have NAV, so I'm looking at £42-£44k

That's almost £3k more than the similarly specced RS3.

1 Simple answer.. 5 doors V 3 doors. end lol

did you get an email yet?

[Steved]

Originally Posted by as7920

So let's call it £40k (is that the starting price next year or in today's money?

Will the price go up by 2.5% when the VAT increase comes into effect in January? Taking the starting price to £41k. Or is the £40k including that?

I have to have NAV, so I'm looking at £42-£44k

That's almost £3k more than the similarly specced RS3.

The £39,990 price includes the 20% VAT changes, so that's the price you'd pay in May 2011 assuming no other changes occur.

Does the RS3 come as standard with NAV? I haven't looked at its spec yet.

Also one thing to bear in mind is that the 1 Series M Coupe will be very limited in numbers (no more than 450) whereas the RS3 will be plentiful, and I'd be prepared to bet which one will hold its value more.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Steved

The £39,990 price includes the 20% VAT changes, so that's the price you'd pay in May 2011 assuming no other changes occur.

Does the RS3 come as standard with NAV? I haven't looked at its spec yet.

Also one thing to bear in mind is that the 1 Series M Coupe will be very limited in numbers (no more than 450) whereas the RS3 will be plentiful, and I'd be prepared to bet which one will hold its value more.

NAV is standard on RS3 as is the £500 Bluetooth phone option, both of which are essential for me as it will be daily driver and company car (opting out with cash alternative). That's £2.5 -£3k cheaper.

Historically haven't RS cars had the better residual values?

I thought RS3 was limited to 2700 units as well.

Cheers,

Mark.

[Steved]

Originally Posted by as7920

NAV is standard on RS3 as is the £500 Bluetooth phone option, both of which are essential for me as it will be daily driver and company car (opting out with cash alternative). That's £2.5 -£3k cheaper.

Historically haven't RS cars had the better residual values?

I thought RS3 was limited to 2700 units as well.

Cheers,

Mark.

I haven't found RS cars to have better residuals. I previously owned a B7 RS4 Avant which held its value no better than my E46 M3s.

The RS3 Sportback is quite a subtle RS model and I suspect it will lose some kudos because of this and whilst I'm a big fan of the TTS and TT RS, I found the Audi S3 to lack the chassis fluidity of it's TT brethren. Perhaps the increased wheelbase of the Sportback has addressed this characteristic, but I still cannot imagine the RS3 would be a patch on the 1M for chassis dynamics.

It really depends on which appeal to you most, but I wouldn't chose based on the list price.

[Advevo]

Do you need satnav prof. for M settings like throttle response etc. DSC off etc.

I think white or black is best colour for this car.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Advevo

Do you need satnav prof. for M settings like throttle response etc. DSC off etc.

I think white or black is best colour for this car.

I believe it will have iDrive and screen as it needs it for MDM but NAV will be optional.

However I need NAV for my job and don't fancy sticking a £150 Garmin on the dash and cluttering it up.

[eugegall]

Originally Posted by as7920

I believe it will have iDrive and screen as it needs it for MDM but NAV will be optional.

However I need NAV for my job and don't fancy sticking a £150 Garmin on the dash and cluttering it up.

Out of interest whats iDrive? I agree when spending this amount of money on a car you dont want nor should you clutter it up with an aftermarket nav

[as7920]

Fancy computer electronics for selecting audio, AUX, phone systems, car settings and M modes.

Everything except NAV I suppose.

[Steved]

Originally Posted by Advevo

Do you need satnav prof. for M settings like throttle response etc. DSC off etc.

I think white or black is best colour for this car.

Andre, no you don't need satnav for the M settings, the iDrive controls contain all of these adjustments.

To be honest I think it will look good in either of the 3 colours. If you'd like the BadAss look then Saphire Black will do the trick, Alpine White will be very visible and Valencia Orange is somewhere in between (noticeable, but classy).

[Steved]

Originally Posted by eugegall

Out of interest whats iDrive? I agree when spending this amount of money on a car you dont want nor should you clutter it up with an aftermarket nav

It's the BMW equivalent of Audi's MMI - a sophisticated in-dash control panel for adjusting all sorts of settings including the time for lights to dim, locking doors, all the radio and music settings, plus BMW's Connected Drive with access to Google Maps and BMW Assist.