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I want to see an M1 as much as the next guy, but wouldn't an M1 kind of cut into the M3 market? Unless they see it as competing with cars like the 370z (which the 135i already does) I don't understand why BMW would waste time making a car that would make the M3 basically useless... The M3 is a sportscar, the M5 is a large touring (not in the hatchback sense of the word) car and the M6 is a GT car... So an M1 would just be another small sportscar to compete with the M3.
The M1 can't have more power than the M3, so the fact that BMW would want to just upgrade the N54 and some other components (like in the 335is) would make sense. Therefore, regardless of it being called an M1 or a 135is, it will be almost the same car save for a few M styling components. And if you want those, buy the M Package. |
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03-04-2010, 09:58 PM | #112 | |
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Since when has the E9X M3 been a small sports car? Its getting quite large, and heavy. It hs become a GT, a very capable GT, but a GT nontheless. The fact of the matter is that BMW no longer has a small, less is more, sports coupe. Thats the void that the M1 would fill. |
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03-04-2010, 10:19 PM | #113 |
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I have no dog in this fight, but think the idea of an M1 will happen. BMW made 2 SUV's into M vehicles, X5M and X6M, and they said they never would. And these vehicles compete at some level with the M5 in utility and price, similar to how the M1 might compete with the M3. And there are other considerations.
One is the Audi A3 RS, which is scheduled to get the 5 cylinder 335hp, 332lb-ft torque motor from the TT RS. BMW has to have an answer to that car in many markets. Especially after recent reviews where Audi has been doing better compared to BMW. I don't think an "135is" version would cut it against this 4-wheel drive hot rod. Another consideration is that the tooling for a lot of the M1 is done and paid for. How many people on this site have raided the BMW parts bin for M3 wishbones, strut rods, sway bars, rear suspension components? Why would BMW not do the same thing as a last hurrah for this chassis? The new M3 is coming and BMW should not care about using dated M3 technology in the M1 when the new M3 will improve upon it. Also the pictures of the supposed M1 mules have much wider tracks front and rear. They look like they might have the track width of a M3? Just use the M3 subframes and components. How easy would that be to do when you modify the fenders for it, which most M's tend to do. Even the engine for an M1 kind of makes sense. It could be a lower powered version of the next M3 engine. To be light it might be the Aluminum- Magnesium block to save weight and could use the successful sequential turbo setup that typically yields both low speed and high rpm performance. Anyway, the Audi A3 RS is enough for me to believe there will be an M1 alone. |
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03-04-2010, 10:49 PM | #114 |
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Lots of ppl won't even bother with a 135is. Sure it'll be better than a 135i but I'm certain the target price will be badly placed. Plus, you'll get more buyers with M badge instead of a little "is".
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and has anyone forgotten the performance upgrade you can buy directly from bmw for your 135i which doesn't void warranty and , excuse me if I'm wrong maximises output to 320hp anyways? so basically the 135'IS' would stand for 135 i [s]uspension? I am holding out hope there is a 135///M coming and they're being sneaky about it |
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03-05-2010, 03:52 AM | #118 |
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Sad news peoples...looks like an 'M1' may not be...
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/04/r...135is-instead/ |
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Does anyone know what Lexus are doing? I heard they were soon to be releasing a "1 Series".
What I’m thinking is that we will only see an M1 if Lexus start selling a 1 Series ISF equivalent. There are some fast Ford, Vauxhall, VW and Audi around in this model size but these are all front wheel drive and don't directly compete with the 1 Series. I think the Lexus would be the kick that is required to get BMW moving. |
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I've already stated my reasoning earlier in this thread. There's no way in HELL BMW is doing a widebody for an IS model, and there's no way that test mule will work without one. The test mule is VERY obviously an M1, and it's very far along. |
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03-05-2010, 07:36 AM | #124 | |
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The main competition for the 135is would be the RS badge not the car imo. The TTRS has been heavily criticised by the motoring press over here for its lack of excitement and involvement, is there anything to say the RS3 will be any different? Audi's policy of producing one RS version at a time makes a lot of sense really, as they don't have the issue of will an RS3 cannibalise sales of an RS4. Mind you they are churning them out with increased frequency these days. |
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Too bad, so sad.
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03-05-2010, 09:14 AM | #128 |
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So what this has really been about from the start is a bunch of cosmetic sh*t that BMW Performance will gladly sell you for a bloated price.All that "customization" that our recently extinct "friend" alluded to in his insider fashion was nothing more than glorified "tinsel" for the tree!?
...hey, anyone wanna buy an "s" to add to your "i". ....here comes the M1 in to land!...noooooo!
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The problem is that the M3 should have been a small sports coupe... and it was, at least until the E9X... The M3 is in a very awkward position if the M1 comes out... not quite a sportscar and not quite a GT.... although I don't think that will effect M3 sales in the least. Plus you have to think about what customers are going to perceive the product as being. An M1 would essentially be a smaller, cheaper version of the M3 with similar performance figures. A 135is would be an upgraded version of the 135, not quite an M1, but significantly better than the 135. There's definitely a sweet spot where the M1 could fit, the problem is that BMW needs to find it. I just don't see an M1 and 135is existing, I think it'll be one or the other. Quote:
The M1 is a practical sportscar. The M3 is a practical sportscar. If the size difference is enough to make you feel the M1 is necessary then so be it... doesn't bother me, I'm just making a point why BMW would want to skip either the M1 or 135is. |
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A proper M1 will take a lot of R&D and testing, to make the car worthy of the name it would inhabit. It seems, based on the timelines of other BMWs coming to market, that there is not sufficient time or resources to get the M1 to markets in enough time to be profitable while the E82 platform is still being used... To me, the car not being at Geneva really said something. In the other thread, Scott said something about other car makers having hybrids or whatnot being debuted as concepts--to which I answer, who cares? Are we now only going to see concepts based on what other car makers are doing, instead of BMW providing what their customers want? Because there are plenty of people who want an M1.... And instead we will get some compromised version of the 135, which will only create interest in people who would buy a 135....whereas an M1 would create interest across many different segments of BMW owners....such a dumb move by BMW.....
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