Will the 1M be more powerful than 350HP?

SF_135i · 04-28-2010, 09:31 PM

Do we have any speculation on how powerful the new ///1M will be?

Reason being is this 350hp mule being tested...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004282...at-nurburgring

BBK · 04-28-2010, 09:39 PM

I'm guessing around that figure, 340-360hp. Doubtful it would be more than 360 that's for sure.

TunedM2C · 04-28-2010, 09:46 PM

We won't even see the RS3 here in the states.

Cameraeye · 04-29-2010, 12:24 AM

350-360hp would be great

bimmerboy · 04-29-2010, 03:12 AM

im guessing around 320hp

Beemer323 · 04-29-2010, 03:40 AM

370hp

Stealth135i · 04-29-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerboy

im guessing around 320hp

Dude it has to be more power than that, cause you get that power with the BMW Performance Cooling Kit, i say 350hp is likely

ChrisK · 04-29-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerboy

im guessing around 320hp

No way.

grant · 04-29-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuned1

We won't even see the RS3 here in the states.

Actually, they said we'd never have the RS5 in the US either, but they're now bringing it here. I think we'll start to see more (if not all) of the RS models here.

///Mangler · 04-29-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuned1

We won't even see the RS3 here in the states.

Is the US getting the M1? Has that been confirmed?

T

dmboone25 · 04-29-2010, 08:31 AM

Someone on the board--might have been Levi--did a comparision based on HP to weight ratio, and if the ///M1 were to be roughly equiv to the ///M3, then it would come in right around 3300 pounds and 350-360 BHP, if I remember correctly.

SCOTT has also said that the ///M1 will not "tread on the toes of the M3", which has led a lot of folks to believe that the car will end up in this 350-360 range......

ptack · 04-29-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SF_135i

Do we have any speculation on how powerful the new 1M will be?

Reason being is this 350hp mule being tested...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11004282...at-nurburgring

340 hp if that's the same engine as in the TT RS. It would be a nice car in the US, but the price would be crazy. A loaded A3 will cost you $37k. Presumably an RS would be $45-50+ which would make for one heck of an expensive hatchback, but Audi is famous for uber-priced racing wagons.

oztiks · 04-29-2010, 10:33 AM

374 hp 385 tq... Just a quess.......... 142 pounds less than current model..

BForbes · 04-29-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by oztiks

374 hp 385 tq... Just a quess.......... 142 pounds less than current model..

My guess is the weight will stay exactly the same. BMW's rationale will be that they lightened the car(no sunroof, etc) and then added a few things that contribute to weight(heavier wheels, LSD, etc.) I would be fine with that since most cars that get a bump in power also gain weight.

My135 · 04-29-2010, 11:22 AM

It has to be >350 hp. I think 400 is the best we can hope for but 360-380 is my expectation. The M is not just about hp, it is about better suspension, LSD and aggressive sounding exhaust. The total package will give you a race car feel and this is what I expect from M treatment.

mshahidz · 04-29-2010, 12:00 PM

I highly doubt they will make the 1M so powerful, 350 at most. The 1 already has more TQ than the m3, and getting it closer in terms of HP woudl be ridiculous on their part. Unless if there are some SERIOUS drawbacks in the 1M over the M3.

Also, i think audi WILL end up bringing the RS3 if BMW brings the 1M

BForbes · 04-29-2010, 01:11 PM

Scott says 345PS if I'm not mistaken so I'd guess no more than 350hp. In typical BMW fashion it could very well be underrated.

BMW269 · 04-29-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

Someone on the board--might have been Levi--did a comparision based on HP to weight ratio, and if the ///M1 were to be roughly equiv to the ///M3, then it would come in right around 3300 pounds and 350-360 BHP, if I remember correctly.

SCOTT has also said that the ///M1 will not "tread on the toes of the M3", which has led a lot of folks to believe that the car will end up in this 350-360 range......

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Originally Posted by Levi

(DIN is: car + 90 % tank)
(EU is: DIN + 68 kg driver + 7 kg luggage)

M3 (E92) 6MT, 420 PS, 1580 kg (DIN): 3,762 PS/kg

M1 (E82) 6MT, 380 PS, 1430 kg (DIN): 3,763 PS/kg

M1: 1430 kg + 68 kg + 7 kg = 1505 kg (EU), 135i (E82) 6MT weighs 1530 kg (EU).

New speculation:

M1 (E82) 6MT, 350 PS, 1420 kg (DIN): 4,057 PS/kg

Very far from M3.

Jake C · 04-29-2010, 04:05 PM

A standard 135i is 3373 lbs and 300 HP and 300TQ.

A standard E92 M3 is 3704 lbs and 414HP and 295TQ.

If the 1M has shaved a few pounds which according to Scott the M engineers have done. (If that makes it to production or not who knows)

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...88#post7159088

I would guess the new 1M would come in around 340-360 HP.

- J

JimmyT · 04-29-2010, 05:16 PM

THe Audi has about .000012 chance of being sold in the US, so for the NA market its no competition. Now a Golf R with APR Stage IV might be a good comparison with the M1, but both cars are not for sale here yet.

bimmerboy · 04-29-2010, 05:16 PM

Reason I'm guessing low ~320hp is due to the fact that it has been stated many times that this car has to be slower than the M3. What I'm thinking is that this car will have all of the handling enhancements (lsd, wider track, better brakes, weight savings) but only a modest bump in power. It shouldn't matter though, as tweaking HP out of the N54 is no big deal.

HERR FSTIR · 04-29-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerboy

It shouldn't matter though, as tweaking HP out of the N54 is no big deal.

Except that it won't be an N54.

Scott indicates a variation of N55 that will ultimately find its way into the F30 M3.

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mshahidz Major 135 Rep 1,347 Posts Drives: M4, 991 GT3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto iTrader: (7)	I highly doubt they will make the 1M so powerful, 350 at most. The 1 already has more TQ than the m3, and getting it closer in terms of HP woudl be ridiculous on their part. Unless if there are some SERIOUS drawbacks in the 1M over the M3. Also, i think audi WILL end up bringing the RS3 if BMW brings the 1M __________________ JRZ RS2 \| Capristo \| Eisenmann \| Volk Racing TE37SL \| Endless Brakes \|
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BForbes Moderator 605 Rep 4,240 Posts Drives: BSM 135i/AW E90 M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (0)	Scott says 345PS if I'm not mistaken so I'd guess no more than 350hp. In typical BMW fashion it could very well be underrated. __________________ - 04 Honda S2000(gone)
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Jake C Lieutenant 20 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2009 335i 2010 335d Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US/UK iTrader: (0)	A standard 135i is 3373 lbs and 300 HP and 300TQ. A standard E92 M3 is 3704 lbs and 414HP and 295TQ. If the 1M has shaved a few pounds which according to Scott the M engineers have done. (If that makes it to production or not who knows) http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...88#post7159088 I would guess the new 1M would come in around 340-360 HP. - J __________________ In Memory of LeRoi Moore 1961-2008.
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