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      06-22-2010, 01:38 AM   #1
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Does the upcoming 1M have DCT or not?

I have dig around and found this question has been asked many many times, but no one official answer yet!

I am not talking about the test mule or prototype etc, I mean when BMW sells the 1M next year in North America, what transmission options will be provided?

Possible answers:

1. Yes, DCT provided;
2. No, only manual;
3. M division hasn't decided yet.

Insiders (scott), please let me know!
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      06-22-2010, 05:26 AM   #2
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I thought Scott said DCT somewhere.
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I don't think it's official but I think DCT is a given.
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      06-22-2010, 02:57 PM   #4
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Ummm, YES it will have it w/out question!
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      06-22-2010, 04:21 PM   #5
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pretty sure it will be manual and dct just like the m3
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      06-26-2010, 12:47 AM   #6
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Article I read speculated a 6 speed auto, which would not be the M3's wicked DCT. Hopefully it's just as good, minus 1 gear.
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      06-26-2010, 05:34 AM   #7
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Article I read speculated a 6 speed auto, which would not be the M3's wicked DCT. Hopefully it's just as good, minus 1 gear.
The 135i has DCT now. I cannot imagine BMW would not offer it in an M version of the car.
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      06-26-2010, 09:49 AM   #8
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Sorry meant the 7 speed DCT in the M3.
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      06-27-2010, 12:19 PM   #9
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dct and manual will be the options.
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      06-30-2010, 02:28 PM   #10
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The 135i has DCT now. I cannot imagine BMW would not offer it in an M version of the car.
I hope this is true. I'd miss the manual transmission, but I think I'd be able to tough it out with the DCT.
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The recent Car and Driver preliminary test drive of the 1M coupe indicates DCT will not be offered.

Since DCT is currently available in the 135 it seems this statement is erroneous (in addition to other "facts" such as using the N54 instead of the N55).

Scott - Please can you please clarify?? Not offering DCT in the 1M coupe just isn't logical, and acknowledging the availability of DCT would make those of us ready to put down deposits a little more comfortable with our decision.
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Like it would be such a bad thing if a car that's supposed to hark back to the E30 only came with a traditional manual box. When did everyone become so soft, haha.

(I do think a DCT will be offered, though.)
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I can't see how MDCT is not offered as it's what they are selling for performance.
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DCT is great when quickly changing gears ... much faster than I can even dream of with my 6MT. My personal opinion ist that operating a 6MT gearbox is just much more fun ... and isn't this what the 1 Coupé M is all about?

A DCT would add another 20kg weight or so. This is not much, but it's at the "wrong end" of the car. So personally I wouldn't choose it. Not offering a DCT for the 1M also could be a mesaure to keep the 0-100 km/h acceleration below the one of the M3 with DCT ... and still offering 350 to 360 hp and a torque of over 450 Nm ;-)

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The recent Car and Driver preliminary test drive of the 1M coupe indicates DCT will not be offered.

Since DCT is currently available in the 135 it seems this statement is erroneous (in addition to other "facts" such as using the N54 instead of the N55).

Scott - Please can you please clarify?? Not offering DCT in the 1M coupe just isn't logical, and acknowledging the availability of DCT would make those of us ready to put down deposits a little more comfortable with our decision.
He already did clarify about this article. Please read. Plus, Scott had said it was going to be offered, months ago. Who are you gonna believe, C&D who says that the hp is around 335, which is about as much as a 335iS would have, or Scott who says that the car will have around 360 ps and a DCT and a GTS version? And he has right every time?

All one has to do is read the threads, no need for redundant questions.
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DCT is great when quickly changing gears ... much faster than I can even dream of with my 6MT. My personal opinion ist that operating a 6MT gearbox is just much more fun ... and isn't this what the 1 Coupé M is all about?

A DCT would add another 20kg weight or so. This is not much, but it's at the "wrong end" of the car. So personally I wouldn't choose it. Not offering a DCT for the 1M also could be a mesaure to keep the 0-100 km/h acceleration below the one of the M3 with DCT ... and still offering 350 to 360 hp and a torque of over 450 Nm ;-)
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      07-09-2010, 03:21 PM   #18
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I thought Scott said DCT somewhere.
Scott said that the prototype tested on the N-Ring was an M-DCT car, but he was slightly vague about what would be available in the production car, for reasons that are rather obvious IMHO.

I'd be shocked if M-DCT was not an option, given the money BMW has spent developing it and marketing it, not to mention fitting a DCT tranny into the 135i.
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DCT is great when quickly changing gears ... much faster than I can even dream of with my 6MT. My personal opinion ist that operating a 6MT gearbox is just much more fun ... and isn't this what the 1 Coupé M is all about?

A DCT would add another 20kg weight or so. This is not much, but it's at the "wrong end" of the car. So personally I wouldn't choose it. Not offering a DCT for the 1M also could be a mesaure to keep the 0-100 km/h acceleration below the one of the M3 with DCT ... and still offering 350 to 360 hp and a torque of over 450 Nm ;-)
If it's offered, I think I'll hold off long enough to test drive both before making my decision. I probably won't pull a 135i either. As cool as it would be to have the first European Delivery US 1M Coupe, I truly love my Z4 MC, and I'd have to drive the car to see if it's on the same level before making a decision.

With the M3, I think the DCT fits the character of the car well. The M3 is probably the best GT car on the market today, but I don't think it qualifies as a pure sports car. Either is quite nice in the M3, though I'd probably opt for the DCT in that car.

No chance I'd want a DCT in my Z4MC. None. Even though the shifter is frankly mediocre by BMW standards, perfect heel-toe downshifts are far to satisfying in that car, and feeling that much more engaged through the twisties is beautiful. The Z4MC is very different in character from the 135i. I think with that car it'd be a tossup between the 6mt and the 6dct for me. I was very happy with the 6mt on my car, and liked it much better than the flappy-paddle auto I drove.

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He already did clarify about this article. Please read. Plus, Scott had said it was going to be offered, months ago. Who are you gonna believe, C&D who says that the hp is around 335, which is about as much as a 335iS would have, or Scott who says that the car will have around 360 ps and a DCT and a GTS version? And he has right every time?

All one has to do is read the threads, no need for redundant questions.
In all fairness, C&D was RIGHT ON about the brand new 350hp NA 6 cyl that was developed specifically for this car...
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In all fairness, C&D was RIGHT ON about the brand new 350hp NA 6 cyl that was developed specifically for this car...







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He already did clarify about this article. Please read...All one has to do is read the threads, no need for redundant questions.
I realize Scott has said as much in the past, but this is new contradictory information. Although the source (C&D) is suspect, this is nonetheless a concern. We're not talking about some cosmetic detail like a power dome on the hood. The DCT is a major feature in such a vehicle and would help maintain boost during shifts (i.e. avoid the noticeable lag on the current N54 between 3rd and 4th gears).

Remember too that a few months ago Scott indicated there would be a large personalization program for the 1M including extensive carbon fiber component options. As I recall he later retracted that statement since BMW did not have enough time to make it happen.

I just think this is some pretty basic information. What is the big deal about confirming that DCT will be an option? The lack of more recent confirmation is at least a little bit suspicious.

That being said, it is most likely that DCT will be available. The C&D source has been wrong on just about every detail, and DCT is available for the current 135. Also it is hard to imagine selling a car in the U.S. without an automatic/DCT option.
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Scott just replies in the other thread re DCT - well he sought of did without confirming anything. The car he drove was a DCT.
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