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The "leasing is awesome" was meant as a joke. What I cut out was all the crazy back and forth with F&I over lease terms. It's just bonkers.
Yes, you are one of the few who understands leasing and has his/her spreadsheets in order before going to the dealer. I completely agree, you did your homework too well, and compared to all the other schmucks the dealer may have realized they weren't going to get away with murder on your deal. My post wasn't meant as any sort of critique to your situation or comments, but more of commentary on leasing in general and a warning to others who are considering leasing. I regularly recommend to family and friends to buy, but often several days later they come back and say "well I got a lease, my monthly payment is so low!" They don't realize what is really happening. Meanwhile, I sold my old car after 6 years of ownership and 5 years of paying, was able to put almost 50% down on my more expensive BMW, and still have a shorter 4-year loan and lower mopnthly payment, all while my friends are still leasing their Hondas indefinitely...
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I am sure that with all this, they put you in the " BE BACK " folder... " have to ask my wife... " LOL.. perhaps the sales man is asking *his* wife if he can sell you a car ... It would seem that a prospective buyer would ask the wife BEFORE going to talk numbers on a purchase... Good luck with the transaction however.. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 12-10-2012 at 05:21 PM.. |
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Well, I've learned quite a bit from your details of what happened. Now I know I won't get effed over next time I negotiate with BMW/any other dealerships.
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Your conversation sounds exactly the same as mine with my dealer over email. I wasn't in a big rush so time wasn't an issue for me. Just be patient and you'll get what you want. I had it all planned out on a spreadsheet as well and in the end their number was 10 dollars more than my number which I guess I didn't care too much about the 10 bucks a month. I started the conversation around the first week of December and the car finally got ordered & finalized right before Christmas last year. They aren't used to people being knowledgeable about leases I don't imagine so they don't have all the answers right in front of them. The majority of people just care about how much they need to put down and how much is their monthly payment, then they negotiate the monthly payment and not the total price of the car.
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1) Get a job at Rolls-Royce. It shouldn't be too difficult since it's the same company or 2) Stay at BMW and learn what Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV) means. That concept is even more important to have in mind when selling the 1er |
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Continuing your logic, would it be acceptable to "nickle and dime" on a flagship if not an entry level car? Wouldn't your comment then be, "stop nickle and diming them on such an expensive car - you can afford it." I'm thinking there is no logical end to your thought or comment, though it might have sounded good to yourself when you typed it. OP - keep shopping, someone out there knows how to do business and keep customers for the future .
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+1 on this. A large dealership lost my business three years ago, because one of their new staff made me go through an experience that would be only fit for buying a Toyota (my usual sales was away that day). He is only interested in dealing with me if I am buying that day, mind you I have already bought two cars from this dealership. We bought two cars the week after from the local dealership, much closer to home and another two cars last year. In terms of time for each transaction for the last two cars - negotiation now involves a couple of emails without the massive 2 hrs marathon of the SA walking in and out of sales manager office - basically very little "sales" time required.
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But your generalization above about "people with money" and how they behave might be true for you and in your experience, but it's not true in mine. I'll stop short of making a comment on an entire population of people - feel free to keep doing so. And since you're so interested in lecturing on how one should buy a car, perhaps I should lecture you on what a "moot" (open to debate) point is. Thank you for declaring what I already knew - the point is indeed moot, which is why we are discussing it.
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