Vette ZR1-X = 0-60 in 1.68 Seconds and 8.67 and 1/4 Mile

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by kudos

Explain how this car is a "wanna be exotic" when it can do the exact same thing or better than other "exotic" cars you mentioned.

Here's the thing with Corvette, because I own them & have followed them since I was a kid. I know every generation car, still aspire to add a couple more to my collection sometime.

They've always had the same or better performance as the exotics. You can go back decades and look at the car mags that call each generation an "exotic killer".

The problem with this generation is instead of trying to he the "working man's exotic", they've adopted exotic level pricing for car that is still $60k base.

The Z06 & ZR1 get the same crappy interior, same crappy materials, same iffy build quality as a base Stingray. And the kicker is GM charges Z06 & ZR1 buyers thousands more for the exact same options on the Stingray.

Comparing the Stingray to an M2, to get the same options (HUD, carbon fiber interior trim, sport seats, homelink, adaptive suspension, etc.) will cost $25k more than the M2. That to me is crazy.

But you have idiots get on waitlists and pay ADM to buy a new model Corvette when waiting a year or less would allow you to get one at a Discount.

The value drops like crazy and has more so on this generation than any before it that I can remember. New Z06s can be purchased for $15k-$20k off, dealers are begging people to buy the ERay with some $26k-$30k off. Stingrays are at huge discounts.

They still haven't solved the DCT issues, and that thing requires expensive service. If you don't follow the service time/mileage to a T, GM voids your warranty.

Then lets talk about their crappy dealer service departments. Like I said above, techs can't even change the oil on these things. You really think they can properly service this $230k car - no way.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by gonzo

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I'd say 50-50 odds a youngster takes one over a cliff in Malibu or off a bridge in Miami.
Ridiculous speed but gotta throw my .02 at it...still fugly.
I need something that fast like another hole in my head. Which is probably what I'd end up getting.

To each their own.

The first video of a ZR1 going into the wall at a dragstrip in AZ has been circulating recently. These will be relegated to car shows with their laminated window sticker on the windshield and the owner bragging about the 8-second time that he never has and never will accomplish in it.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by kudos

Explain how this car is a "wanna be exotic" when it can do the exact same thing or better than other "exotic" cars you mentioned.

So all the SF-90 owners and Revuelto guys are going to their local Chevy dealer to trade in on a Vette? You buy an exotic because no one really has them and only so many are made. Also, it’s a status thing. I applaud Chevy for making such a car. I personally could not own one cause the rear end is absolutely atrocious. First thing I need to be interested in a vehicle, is the look. Can always make something fast. If it looks like ass, that’s normally a hard thing to fix. Still baffles my mind that the peeps at Chevy all agreed that this was the best they could do. Ray Charles must have been the final say

[RM7]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Here's the thing with Corvette, because I own them & have followed them since I was a kid. I know every generation car, still aspire to add a couple more to my collection sometime.

They've always had the same or better performance as the exotics. You can go back decades and look at the car mags that call each generation an "exotic killer".

The problem with this generation is instead of trying to he the "working man's exotic", they've adopted exotic level pricing for car that is still $60k base.

The Z06 & ZR1 get the same crappy interior, same crappy materials, same iffy build quality as a base Stingray. And the kicker is GM charges Z06 & ZR1 buyers thousands more for the exact same options on the Stingray.

Comparing the Stingray to an M2, to get the same options (HUD, carbon fiber interior trim, sport seats, homelink, adaptive suspension, etc.) will cost $25k more than the M2. That to me is crazy.

But you have idiots get on waitlists and pay ADM to buy a new model Corvette when waiting a year or less would allow you to get one at a Discount.

The value drops like crazy and has more so on this generation than any before it that I can remember. New Z06s can be purchased for $15k-$20k off, dealers are begging people to buy the ERay with some $26k-$30k off. Stingrays are at huge discounts.

They still haven't solved the DCT issues, and that thing requires expensive service. If you don't follow the service time/mileage to a T, GM voids your warranty.

Then lets talk about their crappy dealer service departments. Like I said above, techs can't even change the oil on these things. You really think they can properly service this $230k car - no way.

I'd say no, the older front-engined stuff was nowhere near as good to drive and the chassis balance from mid-engine is what made the C8 performance accessible. Sure, race-car-test-driver was always able to put down a blazing lap with the C7, 6, 5, 4, etc., but you watch them doing it and how far on the edge it was...it was not the same all around "performance" as a balanced car, like many (but not all) exotics or even high-end like Porsche were at around the same times.

[GOLFFRR]

insane. I can't even imagine what that feels like

[KevinGS]

That's just too fast. It doesn't even sound thrilling. That would be disorienting. We've reached that point, where it's just too much speed for a road car. I'll watch from the sideline and be impressed.

If you put your foot down, your brain and other organs would simply be trying to survive the thrust. Nope, not for me.

Won't be long now, where road cars will approach top fuel dragster levels of acceleration: 0 to 60 mph in less than a second.

[XutvJet]

I commend GM for building an ICE vehicle that can outrun the fastest EVs and likely will tear up the Ring all the while offering a "reliable" vehicle. With that said, this level of power is completely unnecessary and the car is likely to be a bore on the street as you can never go full throttle or even moderate throttle without being at arrest me levels of acceleration or speed. I can barely use my stock M2's power on the street and that thing only does lower 12s on a good day. This Vette would make the M2 look like it's going backwards.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

So all the SF-90 owners and Revuelto guys are going to their local Chevy dealer to trade in on a Vette? You buy an exotic because no one really has them and only so many are made. Also, it’s a status thing. I applaud Chevy for making such a car. I personally could not own one cause the rear end is absolutely atrocious. First thing I need to be interested in a vehicle, is the look. Can always make something fast. If it looks like ass, that’s normally a hard thing to fix. Still baffles my mind that the peeps at Chevy all agreed that this was the best they could do. Ray Charles must have been the final say

Ok, but what about Mclaren? Is that considered exotic? I'd say so but anyone can go out and buy one of those tomorrow like a C8. There are some Lamborghini's that are easy to buy too. Are they not exotics? I don't think rarity is a good designator for what is and isn't an exotic.

[Phillies8008]

I don't think they're mutually exclusive – I think a car can be obtainable without jumping through hoops, but still pretty rare. I'd agree, though, that rarity ≠ exotic.

I don't think that any reasonable person would argue that a McLaren isn't an exotic.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by kudos

Ok, but what about Mclaren? Is that considered exotic? I'd say so but anyone can go out and buy one of those tomorrow like a C8. There are some Lamborghini's that are easy to buy too. Are they not exotics? I don't think rarity is a good designator for what is and isn't an exotic.

It’s the main reason. Is speed your thing that makes it exotic? If so, a Plaid is exotic? Cost and rarity in my opinion are the 2 main reasons to call something exotic.

[Altamate]

I think they look good, but I don’t like the big wing on the back.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

It’s the main reason. Is speed your thing that makes it exotic? If so, a Plaid is exotic? Cost and rarity in my opinion are the 2 main reasons to call something exotic.

So if Toyota started severely limiting availability of the Corolla and raised its price by 5,000%, does it become an exotic?

An exotic, IMO, is a class of car that combines a bunch of stuff - power, handling, materials, styling, cachet (created mainly by price), and reputation. Rarity, I'd argue, is more a function of the price than anything else. There's just not that many people who are willing or able to pay $250,000 for a car, so the rarity thing works itself out necessarily.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

So if Toyota started severely limiting availability of the Corolla and raised its price by 5,000%, does it become an exotic?

An exotic, IMO, is a class of car that combines a bunch of stuff - power, handling, materials, styling, cachet (created mainly by price), and reputation. Rarity, I'd argue, is more a function of the price than anything else. There's just not that many people who are willing or able to pay $250,000 for a car, so the rarity thing works itself out necessarily.

In my eyes exotics are the super luxury foreign swear word brands.

Ferrari
lamborghini
Bugatti
Pagani
Rolls
Bentley
Aston Martin

B Tier would be: Porsche, Koenigsegg, Lotus, Maserati, De Tomaso etc.

Chevy will never be an exotic. Never. Neither will BMW.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

So if Toyota started severely limiting availability of the Corolla and raised its price by 5,000%, does it become an exotic?

An exotic, IMO, is a class of car that combines a bunch of stuff - power, handling, materials, styling, cachet (created mainly by price), and reputation. Rarity, I'd argue, is more a function of the price than anything else. There's just not that many people who are willing or able to pay $250,000 for a car, so the rarity thing works itself out necessarily.

Exactly. We agree. Like you said, mainly
By price. Like buying a Casio watch or a Patek. Most likely the guy buying the vette will be wearing the Casio and the dudes rocking 4/5/6 hundred grand cars are rocking the later. Kudos again for them making this missle. I hope to line up against one this summer at a Race Motive

[kudos]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Exactly. We agree. Like you said, mainly
By price. Like buying a Casio watch or a Patek. Most likely the guy buying the vette will be wearing the Casio and the dudes rocking 4/5/6 hundred grand cars are rocking the later. Kudos again for them making this missle. I hope to line up against one this summer at a Race Motive

The logic just doesn't make sense. $250,000 car and you think they can't wear a Patek? What world do you live in?

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

In my eyes exotics are the super luxury foreign swear word brands.

Ferrari
lamborghini
Bugatti
Pagani
Rolls
Bentley
Aston Martin

B Tier would be: Porsche, Koenigsegg, Lotus, Maserati, De Tomaso etc.

Chevy will never be an exotic. Never. Neither will BMW.

Ferrari isn't foreign to an Italian. Bugatti isn't foreign to the French. Porsche isn't foreign to Germans. None of this makes sense. In your world, a Hennessey Venom isn't an exotic apparently.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by kudos

The logic just doesn't make sense. $250,000 car and you think they can't wear a Patek? What world do you live in?



Ferrari isn't foreign to an Italian. Bugatti isn't foreign to the French. Porsche isn't foreign to Germans. None of this makes sense. In your world, a Hennessey Venom isn't an exotic apparently.

Plus, do we even need to comment the part
TIER B-Koenigsegg???? Were you born Yesterday??? That thing is more exotic than pretty much any Lambo Ferrari Rolls Bentley and Aston ever made...

[Sedoy]

100%, in my book Koenigsegg is tier above everybody

Originally Posted by maticCRO

Plus, do we even need to comment the part
TIER B-Koenigsegg???? Were you born Yesterday??? That thing is more exotic than pretty much any Lambo Ferrari Rolls Bentley and Aston ever made...

[philth]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

B Tier would be: Koenigsegg

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Exactly. We agree. Like you said, mainly
By price. Like buying a Casio watch or a Patek. Most likely the guy buying the vette will be wearing the Casio and the dudes rocking 4/5/6 hundred grand cars are rocking the later. Kudos again for them making this missle. I hope to line up against one this summer at a Race Motive

Except that I listed many things in addition to price. Price alone does not make an exotic.

[JABCAT]

"Exotic" is just a made up label no different than "supercar" or "hypercar", "sportscar" or "musclecar". None of them have any agreed upon definition which makes them pointless.

Where I live I see Ferrari, Lamborghini, every model Porsche (including 2 GT3 today), McLaren, etc. every day. I drive by the Lambo dealership on my way to & from work. So to me, none of them are "exotic".

[G MONEY]

Just give me exotic woman!! Fuck all this non-sense of what is or isn’t. Nothing worse than arguing about this when 99% will never have an exotic car unless they rent it

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

Plus, do we even need to comment the part
TIER B-Koenigsegg???? Were you born Yesterday??? That thing is more exotic than pretty much any Lambo Ferrari Rolls Bentley and Aston ever made...

Koenigsegg? Sure. It's great, but it's purpose-built performance. I see a sole goal to beat records, from a new marque. No history and no feel/emotion IMO. This is obviously a subjective point but just because it's fast and expensive doesn't count.

To the commenter on Hennessey, they're a tuning house. Not a vehicle manufacturer. They may have made the venom sure. The venom may count as an exotic car but Hennessey doesn't in my book

All my opinion. You're entitled to your own.