What does it take to beat a M3/M4 + Downpipes

Boosted_N54 · 02-27-2015, 10:01 AM

What does it take to beat a M3/M4 + Downpipes?

Cavpilot2k · 02-27-2015, 10:17 AM

An M5.

Downeaster1 · 02-27-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

An M5.

This.

mike@x-ph.com · 02-27-2015, 11:15 AM

M4 with Jb4 and DP does around 500 whp and 500 wtq , dct , lighter weight , etc... you need single turbo to have a chance

e36addict · 02-27-2015, 11:42 AM

Might get close with FBO + RB's but even then.. M4 throws in some E85/meth and you're done for

135Pats · 02-27-2015, 11:52 AM

A single turbo that moves at least 65-70LB/Min and octane.

Anything short of that you're in trouble. If the M car is a DCT don't think an RB/STG2 car would stand a chance. The S55s aren't all that strong yet (it'll get there) but they're quick as hell.

Boosted_N54 · 02-27-2015, 12:45 PM

let me rephrase this.

what does it take to beat a m4 6speed jb4 with down pipes on 93 pump gas only

Cavpilot2k · 02-27-2015, 12:53 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F100

dbchun · 02-27-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F100

135Pats · 02-27-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Socrates.Tii

let me rephrase this.

what does it take to beat a m4 6speed jb4 with down pipes on 93 pump gas only

From a dig or from a roll? From a dig don't bother, you'll get yanked if it's a dual clutch car.

From a roll you'd probably need hybrid twins of some type. Doubt stock turbos is going to get it done regardless of octane. The power curve is too narrow relative to the S55s on stockers.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-27-2015, 01:04 PM

I have both, F80 with JB4 and Downpipes (DCT) and N54 FBO with Meth.

There is no comparison. The M, especially with DCT just BLOWS the N54 out of the water in every way.

Only way an N54 keeps up is with upgraded turbos running at least 23-25 PSI and running E85 or something. The rocket above would help also.

Mike

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-27-2015, 01:08 PM

This is the power curve of the M with just the basic stage1 tune fully stock.

Boosted_N54 · 02-27-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I have both, F80 with JB4 and Downpipes (DCT) and N54 FBO with Meth.

There is no comparison. The M, especially with DCT just BLOWS the N54 out of the water in every way.

Only way an N54 keeps up is with upgraded turbos running at least 23-24 PSI and running E85 or something. The rocket above would help also.

Mike

the m4 I want to race is a 6speed stock but will get jb4 and down pipes soon

6SPEED no DCT. Pump gas 93

my turbos are about to go so I'm most likely getting single turbo motiv

135Pats · 02-27-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Socrates.Tii

the m4 I want to race is a 6speed stock but will get jb4 and down pipes soon

6SPEED no DCT. Pump gas 93

my turbos are about to go so I'm most likely getting single turbo motiv

If he's a 6MT and you are single turbo, it's a matter of how much of a walk you put on him. North of 20 or so pounds from a 3586 and he's done.

Stock turbo N54 car the S55 powered car will put a serious hurting on ya.

Boosted_N54 · 02-27-2015, 01:46 PM

long live the N54 forever

Vigilante375 · 02-28-2015, 08:53 AM

Don't they weigh about the same as our cars, maybe a tad more? Either way, if they can put down ~500rwhp from a JB4 and downpipes then you're going to need to match that to have any chance.

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135Pats Major General 467 Rep 6,478 Posts Drives: A few BMWs Join Date: May 2012 Location: Maryland iTrader: (3)	A single turbo that moves at least 65-70LB/Min and octane. Anything short of that you're in trouble. If the M car is a DCT don't think an RB/STG2 car would stand a chance. The S55s aren't all that strong yet (it'll get there) but they're quick as hell. __________________ E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial .82AR/Other stuff...652WHP F30 N55 XDrive EBII
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Boosted_N54 Major 209 Rep 1,310 Posts Drives: 135i N54 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	let me rephrase this. what does it take to beat a m4 6speed jb4 with down pipes on 93 pump gas only __________________ MHD Custom Flash (E85) [Jake@MOTIV] / Vargas Stage 2 Turbos / Fuel it LPFP Stage 3+/ Moitiv Port Injection/ MMP Turbo Inlets/ 3.5 Tmap Sensor / ER FMIC /ER Chargepipe HKS-BOV / AA Downpipes / Agency Power Race mid pipes / Berk Technology race exhaust / BMW SSK / BC Forged Whees Toyo R888 tires / KW Club sport coilovers+KW Camber Plates / Spec stg2+Spec SMSFW/ APR Wing GTC200
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Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 5302 Rep 116,288 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	I have both, F80 with JB4 and Downpipes (DCT) and N54 FBO with Meth. There is no comparison. The M, especially with DCT just BLOWS the N54 out of the water in every way. Only way an N54 keeps up is with upgraded turbos running at least 23-25 PSI and running E85 or something. The rocket above would help also. Mike
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Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 5302 Rep 116,288 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	This is the power curve of the M with just the basic stage1 tune fully stock.
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Vigilante375 Major 117 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	Don't they weigh about the same as our cars, maybe a tad more? Either way, if they can put down ~500rwhp from a JB4 and downpipes then you're going to need to match that to have any chance.
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