The long cranks have started.

[TMR013]

Originally Posted by PROJEKM1

I have noticed that when my long cranks start, i use either my Dash Daq or my Bav tool to clear all codes and/or refresh the DME and the long cranks go short again, for 30-90 days, then do it again. I'm on my 3rd HPFP and have been doin this little trick for about 7-8 months or since i put my 3rd pump in.

If you have a tool or know someone that does, give this a shot, before you start pullin your hair out. It's gotten me this far without having to go to a 4th pump. If you dont know anyone with the tool, go to your local Advance Auto Parts or simular and borrow their diagnostics tool: Click "Read Codes" whether codes come up or not, usually you can choose "clear all codes" and it resets your DME.

Hope this helps and please let us know how you make out if you do try this. I might just have a weirdo...

That's interesting. Suggests that the HPFP issue might not be the part alone. Maybe it's a combination of the part, the ECU hardware and or the software. Might help explain all of the repeat failures.
Hmmm.

[DBFIU]

Seriously though, I think the failures are being caused by software/sensor issues rather than hardware. There is no way THAT MUCH hardware can come off assembly with so much fail. Manufacturing has come a long way in the past 15 years.

I still think BMW is having a problem just diagnosing the problem in its own right, shit, everytime a new pump replacement comes out; it just blows up. I think it's something electrical.

[and 1]

Originally Posted by Feyd

Someone needs to invent a "tune" that when plugged in to the OBDII port will insert the correct error code into the system to allow the pump swap.

That way when people starting experiencing long cranks they can get it taken care of rather than be on pins and needles when 2,000 miles from home that their pump might fail.

you could be on to something...i bet this wouldn't be that hard

[and 1]

Originally Posted by PROJEKM1

I have noticed that when my long cranks start, i use either my Dash Daq or my Bav tool to clear all codes and/or refresh the DME and the long cranks go short again, for 30-90 days, then do it again. I'm on my 3rd HPFP and have been doin this little trick for about 7-8 months or since i put my 3rd pump in.

If you have a tool or know someone that does, give this a shot, before you start pullin your hair out. It's gotten me this far without having to go to a 4th pump. If you dont know anyone with the tool, go to your local Advance Auto Parts or simular and borrow their diagnostics tool: Click "Read Codes" whether codes come up or not, usually you can choose "clear all codes" and it resets your DME.

Hope this helps and please let us know how you make out if you do try this. I might just have a weirdo...

when pump #2 goes (which is obviously going to be tonight, now that i've jinxed myself), i will def give this a shot

[Hind]

I thought I would be different and not have HPFP problems... But I'm having some slightly longer cranks myself. Cold starts are close to about a second now. Ggrrrr, guess i'm infected with this plague too. 7500 miles

[BoostedTerp]

Originally Posted by Hind

I thought I would be different and not have HPFP problems... But I'm having some slightly longer cranks myself. Cold starts are close to about a second now. Ggrrrr, guess i'm infected with this plague too. 7500 miles

1 second is not a long crank, especially off cold start.

[Thud]

Got my car back today (dealership had it for 3 days).

Didn't get a new HPFP but apparently my fuel pressure sensor was bad, so they replaced that. We'll see if I keep getting long cranks over the next few days.

[yandy]

Originally Posted by Thud

Got my car back today (dealership had it for 3 days).

Didn't get a new HPFP but apparently my fuel pressure sensor was bad, so they replaced that. We'll see if I keep getting long cranks over the next few days.

This is B.S I got the same thing, and FPHP died two days later. It's really not up to the dealer but BMW to give the ok, but still with so many failures. Kinda sucks that even BMW is so reluctant on changing these things and would rather have people get stuck in god knows where with a failure.

[RPM90]

I hear ya. I've had longish cranks for while now, on and off..
No failures yet.
I've cut down on the long starts dramatically by following a simple start procedure when it's cold, cause that's when it's most common..
I followed this procedure on my 2006 A4, which was also a direct injected turbo engine.
It too had longish starts when cold, except it was a key start system.
When you get in the car DON'T start it right away. If you have a manual, just press the key to turn the car "on". Give it a 5 count, then press in the clutch and press the starter.
Works quite well and much less long starts.
In an automatic, I think, just don't press the brake pedal. Press the start button and the system will come "on", give a 5 count, then press the brake pedal and press the start button.

This seems to prime the system better, and the result is quicker starts.
As I said, long starts really aren't a big deal. I know some of you are pissed as most of us want our "expensive" cars to run with no problems. But, it seems DI engines have their quirks too. My A4 had long starts too, mostly when cold, or when the ambient temps would change drastically.
In a key start system it seems you don't notice it as much cause you turn the key and it cranks till it starts and that's that. With a push button start, the expectation is that you press the button momentarily and the engine first right up. So, when it takes longer than a second to crank and fire, it seems like it takes a LONG time and many people get ticked. However, I don't think long cranks necessarily mean you'll have a pump failure, or at least a number of people with long term long cranks haven't had a pump failure, me included in that group.

I'm not too worried as the long cranks don't happen every time, and when the weather changes drastically I alter my start procedure using the described method above, and it works great.

That said, I have been wondering if I am losing some power? I'm sure much of that is in my head as I've gotten used to the power of the 3.0 TT and it's 300lb ft of torque.
It's just that sometimes I feel like maybe I'm not getting the full output. So, I'm not 100% positive. But, when I do a hard high speed standstill run, I am still amazed at how fast this thing will ROCKET to 60mph and then quickly to 90mph. My faith gets restored. So when in doubt, whip it out and HIT IT!.

[DBFIU]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I hear ya. I've had longish cranks for while now, on and off..
No failures yet.
I've cut down on the long starts dramatically by following a simple start procedure when it's cold, cause that's when it's most common..
I followed this procedure on my 2006 A4, which was also a direct injected turbo engine.
It too had longish starts when cold, except it was a key start system.
When you get in the car DON'T start it right away. If you have a manual, just press the key to turn the car "on". Give it a 5 count, then press in the clutch and press the starter.
Works quite well and much less long starts.
In an automatic, I think, just don't press the brake pedal. Press the start button and the system will come "on", give a 5 count, then press the brake pedal and press the start button.

This seems to prime the system better, and the result is quicker starts.
As I said, long starts really aren't a big deal. I know some of you are pissed as most of us want our "expensive" cars to run with no problems. But, it seems DI engines have their quirks too. My A4 had long starts too, mostly when cold, or when the ambient temps would change drastically.
In a key start system it seems you don't notice it as much cause you turn the key and it cranks till it starts and that's that. With a push button start, the expectation is that you press the button momentarily and the engine first right up. So, when it takes longer than a second to crank and fire, it seems like it takes a LONG time and many people get ticked. However, I don't think long cranks necessarily mean you'll have a pump failure, or at least a number of people with long term long cranks haven't had a pump failure, me included in that group.

I'm not too worried as the long cranks don't happen every time, and when the weather changes drastically I alter my start procedure using the described method above, and it works great.

That said, I have been wondering if I am losing some power? I'm sure much of that is in my head as I've gotten used to the power of the 3.0 TT and it's 300lb ft of torque.
It's just that sometimes I feel like maybe I'm not getting the full output. So, I'm not 100% positive. But, when I do a hard high speed standstill run, I am still amazed at how fast this thing will ROCKET to 60mph and then quickly to 90mph. My faith gets restored. So when in doubt, whip it out and HIT IT!.

That's what SHE said.

Bahahaha...


sorry...

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

That's what SHE said.

Bahahaha...


sorry...

LOLLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHA!!!!!!!!!

Bout spit my coffee all over my keyboard.

[Thud]

Originally Posted by yandyr

This is B.S I got the same thing, and FPHP died two days later. It's really not up to the dealer but BMW to give the ok, but still with so many failures. Kinda sucks that even BMW is so reluctant on changing these things and would rather have people get stuck in god knows where with a failure.

The techs don't troubleshoot any more. Not that they're incapable, I just don't think BMW lets them.
In other words, "troubleshooting" consists of checking whether a code was thrown. If there's no HPFP code then obviously the pump is not defective.

[Nigel135i]

Originally Posted by AtomiK

I've been having some longer than usual cranks for the past 2-3 months, but it hasn't died on me yet. I rationalize the long cranks by blaming it on the cold weather.

I've been having it since early winter here, ~10k miles. It started out feeling like a misfire, but now just takes 5 seconds to fire.

First M Sport package in CO? When did you get it? I got mine in March 09.

[riguy]

I've been having long cranks (4-6 seconds) with occasional engine stumbles right after for about 6 months. I dropped her off at the dealership yesterday (2nd time) with the hope they'd replace the pump. The first time they reflashed the software, saying I'd had misfires on one of the coils. Haven't had that issue since, but the long cranks have just gotten worse. At this point I'm getting concerned I might get stranded as the issue is getting markedly worse. So, yesterday I heard from the dealership that BMW Germany wants to load new software on again. Apparently there's a new version that just came out last week. Unfortunately when they tried to load on the car yesterday it failed (either BMW's side or my car, not sure). I don't know if they found any faults at this point eiher. The SA said BMW is very hesitant to replace the pump right out of the gate. So, we'll see...

[warmtoes]

Originally Posted by riguy

I've been having long cranks (4-6 seconds) with occasional engine stumbles right after for about 6 months. I dropped her off at the dealership yesterday (2nd time) with the hope they'd replace the pump. The first time they reflashed the software, saying I'd had misfires on one of the coils. Haven't had that issue since, but the long cranks have just gotten worse. At this point I'm getting concerned I might get stranded as the issue is getting markedly worse. So, yesterday I heard from the dealership that BMW Germany wants to load new software on again. Apparently there's a new version that just came out last week. Unfortunately when they tried to load on the car yesterday it failed (either BMW's side or my car, not sure). I don't know if they found any faults at this point eiher. The SA said BMW is very hesitant to replace the pump right out of the gate. So, we'll see...

My SA left a message saying they were loading new software as well. We'll see how that goes.

[riguy]

Well, my car's still in the shop. One of the computers that gets loaded with the new software failed. They replaced the computer and are now attempting to load the software on without much success. They said they'd never had this issue before....ruh roh! Least I have a 335xi as a loaner!! The SA still thinks I might have an issue ater all the computer stuff is fixed. I guess I'll find out more on Monday.

[Angry3]

My experience echoes these, I've had 3-5 second cranks with some frequency since about 8K miles or so, which is about when it started turning cold. No codes (according to dealer) and no apparent loss of power.

I'm not worrying about it any more, when the pump goes, it goes. I bought the car knowing BMW's rep for reliability and with the expectation it would be out of service 3-10 days a year. So far I haven't been surprised

[RMA]

I will be going on my 3rd pump (will find out next week) still love my car It's all covered under warranty anyway.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

That's what SHE said.

Bahahaha...


sorry...

ha!

I knew when I wrote it someone would pick that up.

[warmtoes]

Got a call from the dealership on Saturday. They were instructed by BMW to replace my HPFP and a new firmware load was made available just on Saturday so they'll be loading that before I get my car back today I would guess.