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The E9x M3 is definitely not set up for maximum grip, not with tires barely wider than the E46 M3 and E36 M3 before it. I found it to be very willing to do anything I threw at it - so in this respect I am the limitation, not the car. The 1M is bound to be grippier than the M3, by virtue of having the same tires and less weight. YMMV. Quote:
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01-16-2011, 12:08 PM | #311 |
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I just think the 1M represents the kind of focus that used to be present in the M3...the E9X is a great car in its own right, but you cannot deny it has become less focused... And make all the jokes you want at the HPFP...the next M3 will both be FI and make use of engine sharing technology....and still be better than the E9X M3 in every measurable way.
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But we're talking about sport cars here. Cars many people buy just to drive the crap out of. Have you driven sport cars by friends who drove hard, and friends who garage queened? Just so you could gauge the difference? I have. For a few of the japanese sport cars, s2000, 350z, evo etc; I can tell you that two seconds into driving, I could tell a huge difference between the ones owned by my friends who abused them, and the ones my friends who garage queen'd them. Therefore this could be apples to apples since it's easy to weed out all the abused ones. But for german sport cars, they hide their abuse well. The drive remains identical between the ones abused and the ones kept mint. And unless one was ragged on beyond belief over a very high amount of mileage, you would have no idea whether you got a abused one until things started going wrong. And if you've bought a used german sport car before without any problems, it's not that you've got a "great eye", it's cause you were lucky. You can convince yourself that you have a 100% foolproof method of buying used german sport cars. But considering the difference in warranty, and the fact that even the most experienced of buyers could not 100% be sure of a used M3's history, a caveat that could mean an insane amount of issues that may or may not be covered under warranty, it is NOT apples to apples. Last edited by techthentic; 01-16-2011 at 05:07 PM.. |
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So no, not apples to apples, how can 10 years vs 6 years be apples to apples. I didn't even realize the 9k jump was just for the sedan. So yeah, 12k for a coupe makes the 1M a even better buy. |
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Are you sure you have this correct? 6 years on top of the original four or are they saying that you get an extension of the four year 50k warranty to six years 100k.
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BMW Dealers (US) now offer their own extended warranty, you can purchase when bought new (add that cost to your financing) or anytime before the factory warranty runs out. I cant remember the cost but was a good sum on my X5. It will be an extension to the factory warranty, and it has different levels of coverage. Similar to CPO but not exactly the same. |
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The only "focused" M3 ever was the E30 variety, which was purposely built for homologation. All the rest have represented more like pinnacles of the 3 series generations - all heavier than the regular 3 series and with lots more standard equipment - Grand Tourers with sportier demeanor if you want. Come each generation, countless of enthusiasts have bemoaned the size increase, weight increase, cost increase - and oh yeah, the lack of focus. (Of course, only to madly fall in love with those models later on). So BMW taking note of all the moaning perhaps, for the E36/E46/E92 generations have built limited series of very focused devices (LTW, CSL, GTS) and have met with questionable commercial success each time. The LTW's lingered in the dealers' courts for more than a year after end of production, the CSL was widely criticized for having focused tires (!!! go figure) and again didn't fly off the dealers' showrooms, and the GTS is widely bashed for being so expensive. So no, I don't think the E9x M3 is less focused than the ones before it, except the E30. I think you are confusing this with all around excellence. Quote:
(And it might not have the troublesome current version of the HPFP).
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Doesn't change the fact that the engineers are so good that they can make up for it--the E9X M3 really needs 400+ BHP, in order to lug its big ass around. The next M3 will likely have less power, be lighter, and still have better overall measures of success--aka 0-60, 0-100, slalom, etc. Makes sense to me. My main point is that the 1M is a step in that overall direction--nothing more.
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My opinion is that the 1M represents an effort by BMW to get back to that same relative size and spirit--of the previous generation M3s, but with the added bonus of better engineering and technology. We know that the 1M is nearly identical to the E46 M3 in size/dimensions/power...yet it is faster by 12 seconds on the Ring...and also more fuel efficient...and has less emissions....and is safer...see what I am getting at? That shows, to me at least, that you can stick with the same overall size and spirit of earlier (and yes, in my opinion, more focused) generations of BMW's most iconic line of cars, the M3. You have to admit that the limited options on the 1M, while providing manufacturing benefits to BMW, also prevents the car from losing a certain level of focus, no? A fully spruced out 1M will be very different than a fully spruced out M3... I think you will see the same kind of effort in the next generation M3, where less = better. Lighter, more efficient, and yes, in this brave new world, the sharing of engine technology between the ///M cars...the 1M, X5M, and X6M are all proof of that.... It isn't so much that I have a crystal ball--just extrapolating the current trends...and listening to SCOTT, who has proven to be pretty close on things like this. Good discussion regardless.
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As for the price of the 1M, this is the lowest price we will ever see for the price of admission to an M car period. Get it while you can!
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Anyone has translation of the German price list in today's release?
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